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Hello, my friends, and welcome back to 3DS Cast, the podcast about the Nintendo 3DS
handheld line of gaming machines.

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And now I'm gonna probably gotta start talking about DS because I just got a DSI Excel,
y'all.

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my god, it's so exciting.

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I love it.

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Did you hear that?

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Did you hear that click?

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Did you hear it?

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Right there.

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we're not here to talk about that.

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I'm just excited about it.

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We're not here to talk about that.

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We have a guest again.

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My God, we're getting guests, y'all.

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This is exciting.

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~ joining us from you're the UK, right?

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You're in the UK if am I remembering

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that correctly?

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All right.

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Joining us in the UK is D Walker109, the developer of CloudPoint.

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Now, if you're not sure what CloudPoint is, do you want to explain it, D Walker, or do you
want me to?

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Fine, either way.

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Go for it.

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I will do that.

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hello everyone.

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~ thanks for having me, Brian.

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Appreciate it.

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~ it's exciting to be here talking to you.

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Yeah, so CloudPoint

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CloudPoint is homebrew for the three DS line of consoles, so three DS, two DS, etcetera,
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~ and it's a cloud sync tool for your for your save games and your ext data, which is ~ a
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a a a specific ish ~ a specific facet of how save games work on the 3ds.

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But yeah, it's a set it's a cloud sync tool for those things.

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So if you've got a switch or something like that, you'll probably know that you can save
your game.

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And if you've got switch online, it will be there on your other console when you go to use
it, if you use more than one system.

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~ And that's what CloudPoint enables, essentially.

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It's not quite as slick as as an as a a built in system like that, but fundamentally it
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have a number of different consoles and use all of them to play all of your games without
losing progress, which ~ which is something I certainly needed and now now have and so do

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you.

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So yeah, that's CloudPoint.

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And folks, I gotta tell you, I I discovered this late later in my 3DS homebrew journey.

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And once I discovered it, I was elated.

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Because, you know, I mean, I'm gonna bring up checkpoint.

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I'm sure that was an inspiration.

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We'll talk about that.

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We'll

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talk about that.

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and checkpoint, if you're unaware, saves your saves to your SD card.

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And then it's up to you to get them off your SD card and upload them to wherever, Dropbox,
Mega, whatever you use.

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~ so checkpoint is wonderful, but it's a little more involved if you want to do that.

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~ but you should do that, by the way, if you have a mod in three DS, get checkpoint, back
up your saves, seriously, because these things fail, these things break, and you never

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know.

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You never know what's gonna happen.

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So I implore you, get checkpoint, get cloud point, regularly back up your saves, a little
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But it's so, so worth it because I'll just tell you a story.

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When I transferred my system from my ~ original 3D SXL to the new one, I thought all the
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SD card and blah, blah, blah.

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So I thought they would all come over.

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They don't.

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They don't.

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So I lost like I I was playing like a Yokai game and I lost like five hours.

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Because I hadn't backed it up in about a week.

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So back up your saves regularly, folks.

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If not daily, weekly.

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At the very least, back them up weekly.

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check, checkpoint, cloud point, do them both.

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Because, you know, what you you got, what what do they say?

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Two is one and one is none.

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seriously, that's that's the rule that you should do with your saves because you don't
want to play Pokemon Black for 800 hours and then go, no, I lost everything.

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Yeah, back up everything.

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The nice thing about DS games is, you know, those are those are unencrypted, so you can
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You don't need a special thing for that.

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~ that's nice.

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So anyway, so CloudPoint is just a wonderful service, especially when I got a 2DS as well.

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So now I can sync them between the two.

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So how did because we talked about this a little bit before, but I'm dying to know, how
did your journey with the 3DS get started?

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with a 3DS specifically, I came to it really late.

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So I've been playing games since the nineteen eighties.

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~ been playing for a long time.

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And I've I've I've had pretty much every Nintendo and most like Sony systems and most Sega
systems ~ since that time.

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~ you know, Super Nintendo, N sixty four, GameCube, Wii, Wii U, all of that and switch now
and I use all of those and I love them.

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For for whatever reason, and I don't fully understand why, I just never had a three DS.

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I had a DS, ~ I had Game Boys, but I never had a three D S.

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I just kind of skipped it.

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I don't know why.

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I think a part of it might have been related to how how how kind of oppressive Nintendo's
online stance was at the time.

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They they tied

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your your purchases to a single console, which I knew from having a Wii.

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And I always found that extremely frustrating and and and difficult to to to accept, I
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it's it's it's so frustrating.

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Let me just jump in for a second.

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yeah.

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Nintendo does like so many really wonderful things and so many frustrating things, like
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It's like, what are you doing?

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I love you, but I can't fully love you because I hate some of the things you do.

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Anyway, go on.

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Well yeah, they they they've got a lot better now.

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The the switch I would say has a pretty good online setup.

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you can have many switches and you can sync sync saves and play your games on them and
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You do have to pay for it.

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was about to ask, you have to pay for that though, which is

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it's not a ton of money if you're really invested.

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It's like sixty bucks a year or six

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if you're really invested, that's worth it.

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But the fact that you have to pay for it is a little bit annoying.

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mean they see they could certainly they certainly could afford to do it for free.

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~ but but they don't and they

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They're they're they're a capitalist company.

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Anyway, so yeah, go ahead.

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I they came I came to it late, I didn't have one.

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and then last year, sort of last summer, I I think I'd been I'd seen one of the sort of
many Chinese emulation consoles appear.

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Not not the AYN Thor, which is kind of the big the big one that people are ~ aware of now.

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But there was another one that came out a little bit before that and it just kind of
piqued my interest in D S and three D S really.

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~ and pretty quickly I'd bought myself

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a a DS I think I bought a DSI XL bought one of those and I bought a imported a a a new
three D S XL from Japan.

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~ and I just got I just got completely obsessed with them.

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I mean I think you can probably relate Brian but I just I just it just got it just got its

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hooks into me.

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I I I've been a PC gamer for decades, since the 80s, like you said.

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And I don't think PC gaming has ever gotten its hooks into me like ES gaming has.

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I joined Instagram for this, y'all.

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And I I I I would never done that before.

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I never, never.

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But I for I joined Instagram to find more 3DS content.

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I've never done that before.

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Like, what am I doing?

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So yep, there's a there's something,

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there's something, if I may interject, there's just something that's so easily to love
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It's so easy to fall in love with them.

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Like Nintendo did something so right with the DS and the 3DS line.

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~ that I don't fully understand, but they just like the I think the it's because I I my
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And personality than something more modern.

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And maybe even things before it, like the GBA had personality and and and so did the Game
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But I think I think because they were able to mix online and offline and and whatnot, they
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a lot of ways.

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~ that's why it's so easy to f get obsessed with them, like like you said you have.

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~ anyway,

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could please continue.

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They're they're they're certainly a little more ~ fully featured than than the earlier
systems and ~ and for me that that helps me to kind of you know, it's it's a it's a system

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that actually doesn't feel retro to me, three DS.

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It's obviously a bit older, ~ and you know, graphically it doesn't compete with modern
systems, but ~ it doesn't bother me.

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Like I I like the charm, I like the low power of them, I like the the the economy that it
that it requires to make games for and

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And so, you know, you get everything you want, like you can have all your games ~ dumped
onto the onto the system, you can carry them with you, you can now sync saves, you know,

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you you can do all that stuff.

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So they're a they're a very usable system.

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I c I carry a 3DS around with me all the time because it's extremely usable.

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I don't carry a DS around all the time because

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I have to carry cartridges and I don't want to lose them and all that kind of stuff.

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So it's just v eminently usable.

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And I think for me, that's one of the reasons that it just just really hooked me.

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And ~ and yeah, I I started with one last year and I'm I am I am I'm somewhat embarrassed
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insane.

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~ I I know, I know, I know.

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I I I'm somewhat reticent

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to admit it 'cause I think that that, you know, people people definitely do see see my
sort of buying behaviour as hoarding.

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~ but I you know, I I c I consider it to be

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preservation and collection.

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Plus I make a sync

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home brew, so I need tons of them for testing.

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And that's how I that's how I sleep at night.

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giving something back.

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which requires yeah.

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Do I need thirty

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to test this?

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Absolutely not.

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But you know, I have so so sue me, I guess.

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to interject and say that you can mod a D S I, which I have done, and you could dump your
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Yes, that's very true.

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That's very true.

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I think the part of it that for me makes it less livable is that you can't really sync
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Now I I I I have looked

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at this myself.

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Actually writing homebrew for a D S I is really hard.

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They're really, really low powered.

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They don't really have an operating system and there just isn't the ecosystem that makes
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~ for DS it's absolutely is.

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That's one of the reasons it's slightly less livable for me, but I do have a few I've I
have quite a few DSIs as well.

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And and I play lots of games on those too.

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But they're cartridges, you know.

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Plug a cartridge in, take a cartridge out, which isn't

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always the case with these.

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So so yeah, here we are.

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I I bought one last year, now I unloaded them and ~ and I'm I'm I s I still use it every
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I think they're great.

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That's an th I gotta say that's an amazing journey within one year.

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ask a a slightly personal question because you said you had a family.

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How do they feel about you having thirty D ~ three DS?

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They're they're they're cool with it.

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Like my my son my s

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I mean my son has has a DS.

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He has like a Pokeball two D S XL which which ~ is, you know, a pretty nice system and
he's lucky to have it.

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~ he sometimes bemoans it and he says, you've got so many of these.

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Can I have that one?

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Can I have your your pink new three D S XL from Japan?

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Can I have your can I have your

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Super Nintendo new three D S like?

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No, no, you can't have those.

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They are they are locked in

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a they're a museum pieces pretty much.

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I mean a lot of this is collection stuff.

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I don't play in all these systems.

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~ many of the many do get played, but not all of them.

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And my wife is very supportive, you know, she ~ she understands and you know, it's th
they're as you know, they're not cheap systems.

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But in the grand scheme of things, ~ for somebody like me in my sort of ~ I'm middle aged
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it's it's not the most expensive hobby I could have, you know, if I if I was into
football, like soccer, if you will, ~

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you've been god, yeah.

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season tickets and things like that.

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So compared to that, it's pretty pretty minimal and I often buy systems and fix them.

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I I get a lot of my systems by buying

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broken ones and fixing them and stuff like that.

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It's another thing I've got into this

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last year.

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I I just kind of took an interest in it 'cause I think if you if you play these old
systems, they do need maintenance and with a few exceptions you won't get any support from

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Nintendo on that.

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So ~ so you really need to kind of figure out how to fix them and

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Yeah, I've I've taken them apart and cleaned them and replaced

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screens and stuff and it's it's good fun.

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~ it's it's frustrating, but it's good fun.

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would not be fun for me.

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I don't have the I don't have the patience.

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I know myself.

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I know I don't have the patience for it.

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Like I won't even build my own PCs anymore because I don't have the patience for it.

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So I don't have it.

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but patience, absolutely.

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I don't have it.

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I d I know I don't have it.

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So I've seen people videos of people taking the 3DS apart.

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It looks like a gosh darn nightmare in there.

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So I'm like, no, thank you.

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I don't like taking

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the back.

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I don't

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I don't like taking the back plate off to change the battery.

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I don't like doing that.

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So opening

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it up further, like if if my joy if my joystick broke, I'd be like, okay, who do I find to
repair this?

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Who do I pay?

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We'll pay someone to do it so I don't have to.

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You know, that's

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where I'm at.

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Yeah.

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Well if you ever get a broken s a broken joystick, you know, hit me up and you know, we'll
see what we can do.

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Although we probably do live about, you know, eight thousand miles apart, so that might be
challenging, but you know.

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Yeah.

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wow.

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That's a long way.

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That's a long way.

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Yeah.

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so that that's a I got I just want to interject that that is a lovely journey that you're
on.

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I'm so happy that your family is supportive of it.

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Like

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I'm just gonna be honest, I love my wife, but she ~ she she's not unsupportive.

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But if I was starting to buy that many three DS, we would have a serious talk.

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We would have a very

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serious talk.

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Because we're trying to save to buy a house, which in California is outrageously
expensive.

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And so she'd be like, Look, do you want a house or do you want 30 three DS?

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And I'd be like,

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Can I think about it?

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It's not it's not a snap decision, is it?

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You have to give it some thought.

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I I it's a toughie.

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And she'd be like, Why is it tough?

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I'm like, I let me get back to you.

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I I So I'm not saying my I love my wife, she's not unsupportive, but at the same time, she
would not have the level of patience that yours does.

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So good on you.

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But yeah, and yeah.

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yeah.

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sure.

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yeah.

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Same here.

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Same here.

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I mean, she tolerated and bought.

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But me buying a th a DSI XL because it was very affordable.

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I found one for a very good price.

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So so she's supportive of the hobby, especially now that I'm making a podcast about it.

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So I'm doing something with it, you know.

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So she's

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even more supportive now.

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But at the same time, I could not buy 30 of them.

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So I'm jealous.

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I'm gonna admit, I'm a bit jealous.

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That's amazing.

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I kinda I I I that's astounding.

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~ good on you.

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~ and I'm not serious that you're part of the problem.

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I mean

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I'd rather these be in homes where people are gonna take care of them and preserve them
rather than being beaten up by a child or something.

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You know what I mean?

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So I'd rather them find a good home than not.

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So it sounds like they're in a good home.

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So I'd much rather prefer that where you're taking care of them and like you said, you're
cleaning them and maintaining them.

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I'd much rather have that.

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Yeah.

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it's worth remembering that, you know, we we we and this is a bit of an aside, but there's
definitely a a a feeling sometimes that these things are like ~ extremely rare and

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extremely hard to find.

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In fact they're not.

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You know, Nintendo made tens of millions of these things and they're not that old.

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They're, you know, at their oldest they're fifteen years old and at their newest they're
five years old.

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So well almost five years old.

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So there are many millions of them out there.

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J in Japan there are huge numbers of them.

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~ now, you know, supply and demand means that they're certainly not always available for
the price that people would want and the price they think they should be because they're

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not the latest and greatest.

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But ultimately there are plenty out there.

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~ and and so if you want more people, you know, just save up, find a deal.

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They're not always as expensive as as they as as as you think and and you can you can you
can do it.

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And I always tell people, ~ friends, friends, ask friends and family, because

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I got both my new 3ds XL and my new and the DSI XL through forums I'm on because I know
people.

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~ I got I got the Galaxy three new 3ds XL for 200 bucks, which is in this economy amazing.

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I got the DSI for 50, which again,

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yeah, exactly.

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Because I know people.

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So, friends, if you're looking for one of these things and I implore you,

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If you're listening this, of course you either are looking for one or you have one or you
want another one.

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Ask friends and family.

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You

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never know who might have one in a drawer from their childhood that they're not using
anymore.

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You know, and they're like, okay, I I could stand to have a couple hundred bucks because
I'm not using this anymore.

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You know.

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you never know.

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So it doesn't hurt to ask on your social medias and if you're on forums and other online
communities like Discord, definitely ask.

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Cause you never know when someone might have one they're just not using and willing to
part with, you know.

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So it's definitely worth it.

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~ God, I could talk about collecting and I I keep I keep track of prices to help other
people find them, like on Discords and whatnot.

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And I I I look at I keep track of the Reddit communities if someone's selling one and I
post about that.

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So like I want people to own these things.

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Like I am I feel like I've become an evangelist.

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Like my my my son, have you heard the good news about the 3DS?

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I'm going door.

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I'm going how

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I'm going door to door with a with a Pokemon strategy guide in one hand and a three DS in
the other.

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~ Madam, have you heard the good word about the 3D?

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I'm wearing a I'm wearing a I love my three D S t-shirt.

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That would be a fun Instagram thing now that I think of it, the 3DS evangelist.

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I should totally

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I should figure out how to do that.

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Okay.

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Anyway.

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Yeah, I like I had a friend over.

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Just we're I know we're going on tangents, folks.

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If you listen to my other podcasts, you know the tangents are a regular thing.

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I had a friend over the other day and she's like, I'm so tired of playing games on my on
my iPod ~ iPad.

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The communities are so toxic.

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I'm like, can you afford a two DS?

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Let me show you my 2DS.

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It's the most affordable way to jump into the ecosystem.

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And you can play literally thousands of games.

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And the games are mostly good.

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Let me show you.

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Because I try to explain to people the library of these things are just astounding.

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my God.

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So again, worth owning, worth modding, worth collecting because it's there's nothing
there's really nothing else like these things.

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There's really nothing else.

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No other I mean, yeah, you can get an A A Y N Thor, but it's not the same.

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You don't

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you you you don't have the little presents when you open up get a new game.

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You you don't have Street Pass, which still works.

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~ you don't have all these lovely little things and and the Mies and everything.

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that that these systems have.

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So please, please get one.

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Anyway, back to CloudPoint.

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So what so you've you've only been doing this for a year, this 3DS thing.

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What

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inspired you?

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What how did the journey of CloudPoint begin?

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That's a great question.

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~ so as I've already said, I I I got into three DS in a big way and I ended up owning a
number of them quite quite quickly.

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~ and I think originally my my plan was, well, I'll just play different games on each of
these systems.

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But the way that I tend to use these things I found is and and this is true of most
systems, I I quite like to have like a really nice one at home, like a really a really

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mint new three DS XL that I

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play when I'm at home and maybe I want to have like a battered old original three DS that
I stick in my pocket and and allow to to to just not baby it.

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And and I really I really found it frustrating that I couldn't do that because, you know,
I'd be playing, I don't know, Kirby Planet Robot on my on my system and I wanted to play

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that when I'm waiting for my son to do his swimming, but I can't because my save's on the
other system, etcetera, etcetera.

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So I started looking around thinking, well there must be some homebrew for this.

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Like

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checkpoint exists, there must be something something that does it in a in a cloud fashion.

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And there just wasn't.

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~ there are various attempts at it.

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Like there are a few of the cloud sync things out there, but all of them are are
unfinished or require you to basically sport from checkpoint, which it then syncs

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somewhere, which isn't what I wanted.

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~ I just wanted something where I could fire it up, press a button, and it would do it.

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And it would figure out, you know

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Do I need to upload a save?

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Do I need download a save?

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All of that kind of stuff.

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~ nothing existed.

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So I I I reasoned from Checkpoint that it's doable, because fundamentally what Checkpoint
is doing is kind of, you know, the the the raw basis of what I need to do.

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You need to be able to read saves and write saves to the system.

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~ so I knew it could be done and and so I started looking at at how it was done.

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~ and that led me to things like DevKit Pro, which is the I think Soru mentioned this pre
previously on your podcast, but it's ~ like a a a a community maintained framework for for

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for for writing and compiling for three D S.

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So I started looking at that and that one thing led to another and and I and I figured out
all the things I needed to figure out.

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~ it's it's definitely been

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a challenge.

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~ developing stuff with for something like a three D S has some very unique challenges.

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and it's a bit different to the sorts of software that I write ~ in my my professional
career.

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I I I write, you know, software to do with the internet, you know, like websites, web
servers, things like that.

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But ~ three D S is is it's it's different.

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So yeah, I I rallished the challenge and got into it and and

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fairly quickly, had a system that that could read and write saves.

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~ and then went from there really.

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Maybe the user interface and figured out how that should work and all the challenges that
come up.

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I had to write a server to sit on the other end of it to kind of do the database side of
things.

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So lots of little challenges but taken one at a time in small pieces.

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They're not completely unfamiliar to me, 'cause I've been doing software professionally
for a while.

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And

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Yeah, and I had a version ready to release.

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In fact, I think I released the first public version on my birthday.

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~ if I recall.

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Yeah, i it was it didn't plan it that way, but ~ I had the afternoon off work and it was
ready to go.

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So I just released it on my birthday, which which I quite enjoyed.

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It it it made

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me smile to do that.

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So yeah, I went out on my birthday and it's yeah, it's been downloaded thousands of times
and we've got

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hundreds of monthly user, well thousands of monthly users at this point, ~ fairly quickly,
which is which is quite nice to see.

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quite encouraging, I guess.

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You know, I I I made the software for me.

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Like I if only I used it, that would be enough for me 'cause I genuinely find it useful.

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but the fact that other people use it and enjoy it and suggest things we might do and also
report bugs.

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~ those things are all like super important.

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In fact that's that's how

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Brian and I met, you know, Brian made a bug report on ~ raised an issue on on the GitHub
and we went from there really.

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So yeah, ~ having

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people actually use the software and say, hey, this thing didn't work has allowed me to
make some some pretty major improvements actually.

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It ~ you know, there were th there are thousands of three DS games.

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I mean, you know, we've this has been touched on already.

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There are so many games that in some cases some of those games do things with saves that
that are surprising and

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And I and I certainly haven't tested all the games, far from it.

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So, you know, people try a game, they Hey, this doesn't work and I can look at it and it
usually leads to a systemic improvement that I can make, ~ which makes everything so much

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better.

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So yeah, that's that's how it came to be.

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I wanted to touch on two things.

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The first, the most recent one you said is some games save ~ have some weird ways of
saving things, I believe.

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~

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do you have an example of that?

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I'm I'm very curious.

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So

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X data, yeah.

454
00:25:32,180 --> 00:25:38,302
so so what's like an example of a game that uses a quirky, let's say quirky save system.

455
00:25:38,302 --> 00:25:44,984
~

456
00:25:45,342 --> 00:25:49,014
Yeah, there's there's a number of of of different quirks with the saves, really.

457
00:25:49,014 --> 00:26:01,882
~ Broadly speaking, most games are are straightforward in that they they have a kind of a
save system which I mean on a technical level, 3DS games were distributed on cartridges

458
00:26:01,882 --> 00:26:06,864
and if run from a cartridge, the game would save your progress to the cartridge.

459
00:26:06,864 --> 00:26:10,446
~ if run from an S D card, i.e.

460
00:26:10,446 --> 00:26:13,556
if they were actually downloaded from the eShop and run on the system,

461
00:26:13,556 --> 00:26:19,599
they would save the data to the SD card, but the game doesn't doesn't actually know that.

462
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:21,539
The game just saves its data.

463
00:26:21,539 --> 00:26:28,744
So the whole kind of container format for saving data is is not just files on a disk like
like you you might find on a PC game.

464
00:26:28,744 --> 00:26:31,096
It's it's a bit more complicated than that.

465
00:26:31,096 --> 00:26:36,048
But if everything's simple, they work like that and you can just export the save and it's
fine.

466
00:26:36,048 --> 00:26:42,964
And some games use ext data, X data, which is like an extra bit of save space that a game
can use.

467
00:26:42,964 --> 00:26:45,385
And that always lives on the SD card.

468
00:26:45,385 --> 00:26:52,068
~ whether you're playing a cartridge game or a download game, ~ the X data is always on
the SD card.

469
00:26:52,068 --> 00:27:03,343
And that's used for often for extra stuff which is big, like maybe downloading like some
games might down like download movies and stuff, or some games might save your your replay

470
00:27:03,343 --> 00:27:08,975
data to X data, or ~ it might use X data to share save state between games.

471
00:27:08,975 --> 00:27:12,006
Like the Pokemon games, there's of often two versions of them.

472
00:27:12,010 --> 00:27:18,565
they will create some X data which is which is used by both like Ultrasun and Ultra Moon,
they share it.

473
00:27:18,565 --> 00:27:21,728
So that's kind of the the the lay of the land broadly speaking.

474
00:27:21,728 --> 00:27:24,931
But some games just do things differently.

475
00:27:24,931 --> 00:27:37,931
Like for example Super Mario Maker ~ that one creates save data and X data but if you use
your cartridge in a different console, it wipes your save data, even though it's on the

476
00:27:37,931 --> 00:27:38,842
cartridge.

477
00:27:38,842 --> 00:27:41,832
Now this is a an anti like an anti cheating

478
00:27:41,832 --> 00:27:44,213
mechanism that they had when the game first came out.

479
00:27:44,213 --> 00:27:50,497
But it essentially like records some some sort of checksum data, we call it, about the
system it's been used on.

480
00:27:50,497 --> 00:27:53,398
And if you use it elsewhere, it's not going to work.

481
00:27:53,508 --> 00:27:58,541
and that also means that if you sync your save with a tool like CloudPoint, it's not going
to work on another system.

482
00:27:58,541 --> 00:27:59,982
Now I haven't solved that one.

483
00:27:59,982 --> 00:28:06,075
I I will actually need to write some code which which is game specific, which will
essentially when you're

484
00:28:06,075 --> 00:28:11,018
syncing that game, figure out that it's come from a dis different system and

485
00:28:11,018 --> 00:28:14,129
kind of rewrite the checksum stuff so that it works.

486
00:28:14,129 --> 00:28:18,960
I know it's possible because there are tools that will rewrite the checksums for you to
allow you to modify save.

487
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,191
So I know it can be done.

488
00:28:20,191 --> 00:28:21,421
I just haven't got around to it.

489
00:28:21,421 --> 00:28:24,392
So that's an example of a game with a weird save format.

490
00:28:24,392 --> 00:28:30,794
~ there are other games like ~ Terraria, which you may be familiar with.

491
00:28:30,794 --> 00:28:33,414
It's like a side scrolling Minecraft type game.

492
00:28:33,414 --> 00:28:39,850
~ that that creates like huge 32 megabyte X

493
00:28:39,850 --> 00:28:41,721
data when you run the game.

494
00:28:41,721 --> 00:28:51,548
And trying to sync thirty two megabytes on a three D S is quite hard because they're very,
very, very slow network devices.

495
00:28:51,548 --> 00:28:52,819
~ you'd be amazed

496
00:28:52,819 --> 00:29:00,214
how I mean you you probably you may you may have already seen how slow it is if you're
trying to do an update or something, but th they're very slow by modern standards.

497
00:29:00,214 --> 00:29:04,152
So actually kind of making things yeah.

498
00:29:04,152 --> 00:29:05,819
Fi chip is still very slow.

499
00:29:05,819 --> 00:29:06,939
It's still very slow.

500
00:29:06,939 --> 00:29:08,062
It's a lot faster.

501
00:29:08,062 --> 00:29:14,918
Like it's about three times as quick for network calls than the originals, but it's still
like dog slow, to be honest.

502
00:29:14,918 --> 00:29:16,479
So so you you yeah,

503
00:29:16,479 --> 00:29:25,067
you you can't just brute force this and like you know, just tell the system to whack 32
megabytes over the network, which you could do that on a PC, you wouldn't you wouldn't

504
00:29:25,067 --> 00:29:25,597
notice it.

505
00:29:25,597 --> 00:29:27,569
Thirty two megs would go in a in a heartbeat.

506
00:29:27,569 --> 00:29:30,811
But on a three DS that would take that would take minutes to do.

507
00:29:30,811 --> 00:29:36,486
So, you know, you have to do some some reasonably clever stuff about

508
00:29:36,564 --> 00:29:41,005
deduplicating it and and only uploading stuff that's changed and things like that.

509
00:29:41,005 --> 00:29:46,427
~ so yeah they're there are examples of saves that are quirky and weird.

510
00:29:46,427 --> 00:29:56,429
and then another final example I'll give is the game Puzzle and Dragons, which ~ the the
Super Mario edition of that is essentially two games in one.

511
00:29:56,429 --> 00:30:01,971
So the game like loads to a launcher and then you pick which which game you want to play.

512
00:30:01,971 --> 00:30:03,411
And when you pick a game,

513
00:30:03,411 --> 00:30:05,612
it it sets up the save data at that point.

514
00:30:05,612 --> 00:30:06,280
And

515
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,523
If you've only played one of them, the save data is kinda broken.

516
00:30:10,523 --> 00:30:13,464
So if you try and sync it, it doesn't work.

517
00:30:13,464 --> 00:30:18,557
So again, you have to try and detect that and deal with it and yeah.

518
00:30:18,557 --> 00:30:27,633
It's it's it's a really quite a challenging ecosystem to work in because it doesn't really
work it doesn't work that well.

519
00:30:27,633 --> 00:30:32,380
You know, a lot of the APIs that you use to to query stuff, you have to work around
weirdness.

520
00:30:32,380 --> 00:30:33,384
~

521
00:30:33,384 --> 00:30:34,565
and and solve problems.

522
00:30:34,565 --> 00:30:36,045
And these are things that other tools have done.

523
00:30:36,045 --> 00:30:44,659
Like, you know, I I certainly have have looked with great interest at the source code of
Checkpoint to figure out, you know, how things could be done and things they've done to

524
00:30:44,659 --> 00:30:45,529
work around issues.

525
00:30:45,529 --> 00:30:50,332
And I mean a lot of their code even goes back to the PKSM save s save manager.

526
00:30:50,332 --> 00:30:52,662
So you know open source has

527
00:30:52,662 --> 00:30:54,073
has made made this easier.

528
00:30:54,073 --> 00:31:00,788
But fundamentally I've had to reimplement all of this because these these tools are
written in C, which is

529
00:31:00,788 --> 00:31:04,651
the language of the 3DS really and the language of most game game development.

530
00:31:04,651 --> 00:31:14,069
Whereas CloudPoint is written in Rust, which is a a more modern systems programming
language, which ~ which has really good support in 3DS.

531
00:31:14,069 --> 00:31:15,420
That's a brilliant project.

532
00:31:15,420 --> 00:31:23,807
~ you know I I I sh I should I sh I should find the link to the project to make sure that
I reference it properly.

533
00:31:23,807 --> 00:31:28,828
But there are th there is a brilliant project which gives you the ability to write Rust
code.

534
00:31:28,828 --> 00:31:29,780
~

535
00:31:29,780 --> 00:31:31,481
And have it compiled for a three DS.

536
00:31:31,481 --> 00:31:39,103
And although you sometimes have to learn some C to figure stuff out because it's all you
know, you're calling C libraries under the hood and sometimes you do need to interface

537
00:31:39,103 --> 00:31:39,863
with them.

538
00:31:39,863 --> 00:31:43,604
~ it's a great project and and and I gotta give them a shout out.

539
00:31:43,604 --> 00:31:49,035
The the the Rust three D S project, they they made all this possible because without them,
you know, I know Rust.

540
00:31:49,035 --> 00:31:51,726
Rust is a language that I know pretty well and and love.

541
00:31:51,726 --> 00:31:54,317
but I don't know C and I couldn't have written the software in C.

542
00:31:54,317 --> 00:31:57,268
It's just way too complex for for me to do.

543
00:31:57,268 --> 00:31:59,058
~ so yeah.

544
00:31:59,200 --> 00:31:59,724
Props to them.

545
00:31:59,724 --> 00:32:00,432
They're great.

546
00:32:00,432 --> 00:32:01,445
Really great.

547
00:32:02,592 --> 00:32:03,986
Is it okay?

548
00:32:03,986 --> 00:32:08,769
I'm looking at Rust Learning Language, the Rust the Rust C book.

549
00:32:08,769 --> 00:32:09,331
~ I'm

550
00:32:09,331 --> 00:32:11,395
just looking Rust 3DS.

551
00:32:11,646 --> 00:32:13,416
Yes, Rust three DS.

552
00:32:16,584 --> 00:32:17,704
I'll have to

553
00:32:19,069 --> 00:32:22,036
wow, it's a GitHub organization with the ~ wow.

554
00:32:22,036 --> 00:32:22,418
It

555
00:32:22,418 --> 00:32:30,132
they have a few libraries under there and anyone who who is interested in making 3ds home
proof and has used Rust, I would certainly encourage you to look into it.

556
00:32:30,132 --> 00:32:33,590
It it depending on what you're trying to do, it can be a really great way of doing it.

557
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:42,787
If you want to make a game, maybe not, because a lot of the the the graphics primitives
are not really ported across in the same way as they are available for people in in C

558
00:32:42,787 --> 00:32:46,468
land, but for what I wanted to do, everything I needed was there.

559
00:32:46,468 --> 00:32:51,120
I just had to figure out how to call it and ~ yeah, it's great.

560
00:32:51,146 --> 00:32:56,479
That just makes me do another aside to just the community surrounding the 3DS and the DS.

561
00:32:56,479 --> 00:32:59,269
It's just the homebrew community, especially.

562
00:32:59,269 --> 00:33:02,402
It's just I've never seen anything like it.

563
00:33:02,502 --> 00:33:04,753
I've never in all my years.

564
00:33:04,753 --> 00:33:16,029
I mean, there are some great communities around PC games and things like that, but
something about the 3DS homebrew community, I've never, ever seen anything like it.

565
00:33:16,029 --> 00:33:18,231
It's I've talked about this on another show.

566
00:33:18,231 --> 00:33:19,932
It's just amazing, y'all.

567
00:33:19,932 --> 00:33:21,202
It's it's just.

568
00:33:21,386 --> 00:33:32,281
The the level of passion and the level of expertise and the level of patience in this
community is I've never again unfounded.

569
00:33:32,281 --> 00:33:34,702
I've never seen anything like it.

570
00:33:34,702 --> 00:33:46,907
~ and it's just just to know that something like I to hear that this Rust thing exists,
I'm honestly not surprised, but I'm delighted because it's like it just

571
00:33:46,907 --> 00:33:49,788
it just ~ it just furthers my

572
00:33:49,788 --> 00:33:58,050
notion that this community can do just about anything it wants to do once they put their
mind to it because my lord they've they've already done so much.

573
00:33:58,050 --> 00:34:00,202
Excuse me.

574
00:34:00,643 --> 00:34:01,434
That's amazing.

575
00:34:01,434 --> 00:34:03,527
I I've heard of the Rust language.

576
00:34:03,527 --> 00:34:04,498
Is it its own thing?

577
00:34:04,498 --> 00:34:06,281
Is it an offshoot of something like C?

578
00:34:06,281 --> 00:34:07,188
I don't really know.

579
00:34:07,188 --> 00:34:09,009
Rust Rust is is its own language.

580
00:34:09,009 --> 00:34:13,071
It it came out of Mozilla, which is the the the people who make Firefox.

581
00:34:13,071 --> 00:34:13,571
It was kind

582
00:34:13,571 --> 00:34:15,462
of it was kind of made there originally.

583
00:34:15,462 --> 00:34:26,017
~ it's a kind of a it's kind of a a a a a more modern, safer alternative to to C and
C<unk>.

584
00:34:26,017 --> 00:34:33,408
~ Safe as in it's very easy when writing C to do things which lead to problems.

585
00:34:33,408 --> 00:34:35,459
You know, not to not to denigrate C at all.

586
00:34:35,459 --> 00:34:36,721
C is an amazing thing.

587
00:34:36,721 --> 00:34:38,372
It's it's fifty years old.

588
00:34:38,372 --> 00:34:44,188
~ it was, you know, developed in in the in Bell Labs over in the USA fifty years ago.

589
00:34:44,188 --> 00:34:45,958
~ and it's lived on all this time.

590
00:34:45,958 --> 00:34:54,725
And it's still like the language that you use for for for low level game development, you
know, other than assembler, which is very rare these days.

591
00:34:54,725 --> 00:34:56,667
But it's it's an amazing thing, see.

592
00:34:56,667 --> 00:34:58,348
No no no shade to throw on it.

593
00:34:58,348 --> 00:35:00,000
But it you know, it's fifty years old.

594
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,996
We've we've got much more complex systems these days and

595
00:35:02,996 --> 00:35:10,188
very easy to write C code which you know doesn't free some memory or or tries to free
memory twice.

596
00:35:10,188 --> 00:35:13,569
And these are both things in computer science that are actually really bad.

597
00:35:13,569 --> 00:35:26,492
~ and and and Rust has has a mission which is to to allow you to do all those things you
could do in C but to wrap them up in a much more stringent container that that forces you

598
00:35:26,492 --> 00:35:33,108
to observe certain practices and forces you to do certain things to to keep the program
safer ~ and and

599
00:35:33,108 --> 00:35:42,532
without losing performance because, you know, you can get safer code using JavaScript or
something like that, but JavaScript is it's fundamentally gonna be very slow in many cases

600
00:35:42,532 --> 00:35:44,052
to compare to something like C.

601
00:35:44,052 --> 00:35:47,664
So yeah, Rust is is a a now a very popular language.

602
00:35:47,664 --> 00:35:53,236
It's becoming very widely used and it's it's it's it's a lot of stuff is getting written
in Rust now.

603
00:35:53,236 --> 00:35:56,678
Has a reputation for being difficult to use, but I don't think that's true.

604
00:35:56,678 --> 00:35:57,898
I just think it has a learning curve.

605
00:35:57,898 --> 00:36:03,040
~ and yeah, it's it's it's it's been

606
00:36:03,166 --> 00:36:07,630
has good compatibility with C, and that's what the Rust 3ds project give you really.

607
00:36:07,630 --> 00:36:17,589
They give you a compatibility layer with C that allows Rust developers to to hook into all
the C the C stuff which is available by from people like DevKit Pro.

608
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:21,112
~ because without that you'd you'd you'd have to basically figure out how to do it
yourself.

609
00:36:21,112 --> 00:36:22,653
And that's that's really hard.

610
00:36:22,653 --> 00:36:30,900
So so in most cases I could just use the primit the the wrappers that Rust 3ds had
provided to do things like, you know

611
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:34,081
look at the network or or read files or things like that.

612
00:36:34,081 --> 00:36:43,245
There are cases where I did have to basically just dig into the the C layer, which is kind
of exposed through R Rust three DS in a way.

613
00:36:43,245 --> 00:36:46,046
~ but you know, I didn't have to do that too much.

614
00:36:46,046 --> 00:36:55,000
And where I don't have to do that, it's better because, you know, you you you you can
write code which is much more easy to read and understand for a Rust developer and is

615
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,071
usually going to be safer to use.

616
00:36:57,071 --> 00:36:58,271
So yeah, that's Rust.

617
00:36:58,271 --> 00:37:00,372
I'm probably talking about Rust too much, but I

618
00:37:00,372 --> 00:37:02,207
That's a that's something I also evangelise.

619
00:37:02,207 --> 00:37:03,668
I I think Rust is a wonderful thing.

620
00:37:03,668 --> 00:37:04,339
No, no, no, no, no.

621
00:37:04,339 --> 00:37:06,390
These are the kind of weeds we want to get lost in.

622
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:15,578
This is this is the kind of nuts and bolts I want to hear about, and I I hope our
listeners want to hear about too, because I I find, I mean, I I can't program to save my

623
00:37:15,578 --> 00:37:15,848
life.

624
00:37:15,848 --> 00:37:21,704
I have tried, and my brain just can't make the connections necessary to do programming.

625
00:37:21,704 --> 00:37:30,588
I've tried multiple times and I just but I'm also fascinated by one, the languages
themselves and people who can do it, you know?

626
00:37:30,588 --> 00:37:31,528
So

627
00:37:32,192 --> 00:37:42,515
Excuse me, it's great that you can do it and you found a language that seems to have, I
guess I would call them guardrails, safeguards to make raking more difficult, which

628
00:37:42,515 --> 00:37:44,876
is wonderful in this modern era.

629
00:37:46,097 --> 00:37:57,560
and and the fact that a community has come together to help port this burgeoning, growing
language that more and more people are using to a ~

630
00:37:57,972 --> 00:37:59,393
Someone called dead console.

631
00:37:59,393 --> 00:38:02,594
I don't think it's dead, but some I mean they're not making any more of these things.

632
00:38:02,594 --> 00:38:10,977
And yet the community that makes these like Rust and CloudPoint and Checkpoint are
thriving because of things like this.

633
00:38:10,977 --> 00:38:12,878
So that's what I want to celebrate.

634
00:38:12,878 --> 00:38:16,759
That's one of the things I want to celebrate is the people doing all this.

635
00:38:16,820 --> 00:38:19,141
You know, the people bringing all this together.

636
00:38:19,141 --> 00:38:21,802
It's just marvelous, magical.

637
00:38:21,802 --> 00:38:24,053
So I love that this exists.

638
00:38:24,053 --> 00:38:27,784
And I love hearing you talk about it because you can hear your passion.

639
00:38:27,784 --> 00:38:28,144
About it.

640
00:38:28,144 --> 00:38:31,026
And that's another thing I want to share is people's passion.

641
00:38:31,027 --> 00:38:35,350
This community, the 3DS, brings out so many passionate people.

642
00:38:35,350 --> 00:38:40,234
It brings out so many talented people to bring what they have to the party.

643
00:38:40,474 --> 00:38:48,591
And it's just lovely to see all that coalesce into supporting this not ancient, but older
machine that can do so much.

644
00:38:48,591 --> 00:38:51,673
It's I just learned through another interview, it's got three CPUs.

645
00:38:51,673 --> 00:38:52,584
I didn't know that.

646
00:38:52,584 --> 00:38:53,514
You know,

647
00:38:53,514 --> 00:38:54,005
Yeah.

648
00:38:54,005 --> 00:38:57,866
it's it's just, and I want to talk to you something about that because you said.

649
00:38:57,866 --> 00:39:00,377
programming for this is ch can be challenging.

650
00:39:01,138 --> 00:39:09,384
In your view, what are the challenges in regards to making programs, homebrew programs for
the three DS?

651
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,680
That's a great question.

652
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:21,866
~ I mean fundamentally it's anything that any homebrew that you do is always gonna be
running on undocumented hardware.

653
00:39:21,866 --> 00:39:27,399
You know, there are certainly gonna be Nintendo ~ manuals and and documentation

654
00:39:27,399 --> 00:39:28,870
on this, but none of that's available to us.

655
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:30,350
We we don't have that.

656
00:39:30,580 --> 00:39:31,245
that's all hidden.

657
00:39:31,245 --> 00:39:34,172
You know, the the dev kits that they provided to people

658
00:39:34,528 --> 00:39:37,099
You know, they're certainly under NDA and you will never find one of those.

659
00:39:37,099 --> 00:39:43,308
~ and certainly you would never use it if you did, because you'd be definitely be in very
sticky legal territory if you did that.

660
00:39:43,308 --> 00:39:43,470
So,

661
00:39:43,470 --> 00:39:53,363
you know, everything that we do is based on people reverse engineering the stuff and
providing a a a like a clean room implementation of of the same thing, which is a clean

662
00:39:53,363 --> 00:40:00,615
room implementation is kinda like a version that's been made just based on reverse
engineering, no no no access to proprietary or copyrighted information.

663
00:40:00,615 --> 00:40:03,826
So we're we're using all of that stuff and

664
00:40:04,168 --> 00:40:06,229
A lot of this stuff is just really esoteric.

665
00:40:06,229 --> 00:40:09,491
~ it's it's hard to understand.

666
00:40:09,491 --> 00:40:14,424
It it does things that appear to be weird and you don't really know

667
00:40:14,424 --> 00:40:16,555
why because all the context is gone.

668
00:40:16,555 --> 00:40:30,012
Like, you know, there might be a there might be a a like a well, like when you write a 3DS
save, there's there's a sort of anti copying mechanism ~ built into the saves and and you

669
00:40:30,012 --> 00:40:32,143
you you have to basically clear it.

670
00:40:32,143 --> 00:40:33,984
And I don't know why.

671
00:40:34,012 --> 00:40:38,373
you you you do it the way you do it, but you do, and and somebody had to figure that out.

672
00:40:38,373 --> 00:40:49,456
But fi but but deter but learning those those those quirks is one of the challenges here
because something might not work and you don't know why and you you eventually go on this

673
00:40:49,456 --> 00:40:53,757
this bug hunt and happen across something and eventually it starts working.

674
00:40:53,757 --> 00:40:55,318
~ so all those kind of things.

675
00:40:55,318 --> 00:41:03,420
Even even honestly like learning how to just read a save on the system ~ and and

676
00:41:04,032 --> 00:41:14,910
pull the right information out of the save, ~ in a in a ~ in a way that was reliable and
repeatable was was was really challenging.

677
00:41:14,910 --> 00:41:25,547
Like actually doing that was it took me there was sort of a three or four month period at
the start of the project where all I did was hack around trying to read a save of whatever

678
00:41:25,547 --> 00:41:30,250
game it was I was experimenting with and and and writing it out again.

679
00:41:30,250 --> 00:41:33,062
And and that took quite a long time.

680
00:41:33,272 --> 00:41:45,789
~ once I'd done that, the rest of it came much more quickly because I knew I was onto
something and I could make it I could kind of put it into I could take my my initial

681
00:41:45,789 --> 00:41:53,544
really hacky code and actually write something which was maintainable and I could you know
have some pride in to be honest, because a big part of this is something that I enjoy

682
00:41:53,544 --> 00:41:55,375
doing and and I take a certain pride in it.

683
00:41:55,375 --> 00:41:58,109
So you know you kind of take that code and make it more usable.

684
00:41:58,109 --> 00:42:00,734
~ but yeah, just that that whole save format.

685
00:42:00,734 --> 00:42:12,552
And learning about the difference between save data and EXT data and and what's a banner
and what's an you know w ~ even the even the way the three D S kind of lists what software

686
00:42:12,552 --> 00:42:19,337
is on the system and and getting the name out of it is is much harder than you might
expect.

687
00:42:19,337 --> 00:42:21,619
You know, you would think something like that would be dead easy.

688
00:42:21,619 --> 00:42:29,044
You would think, I could just surely I can call a function and it's gonna tell me that's
the name of this game but but no, you d you don't do that.

689
00:42:29,044 --> 00:42:29,620
You

690
00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:39,267
have to open a file and you have to do that in a really weird way and pass it some numbers
that you don't necessarily understand the significance of, but you do know work because

691
00:42:39,267 --> 00:42:45,411
you found some prior art that does it and put all that together and eventually you have
something coherent.

692
00:42:45,411 --> 00:42:48,913
So they're all the they're all the the the really hard things.

693
00:42:48,913 --> 00:42:56,758
Some of the more interesting challenges ~ you know were were I knew would be doable but
but I had to figure out how to do them.

694
00:42:56,758 --> 00:42:59,624
Stuff like controlling the wireless

695
00:42:59,624 --> 00:43:07,655
on the system, you know, turning the wireless on when it's not on and turning it off again
when you quit if it was off when you when you launched it.

696
00:43:07,655 --> 00:43:09,167
You know, little things like that.

697
00:43:09,167 --> 00:43:10,407
Yeah, it does that.

698
00:43:10,407 --> 00:43:13,148
~ that's yeah, I I've

699
00:43:13,148 --> 00:43:19,900
I like to I generally like to run my systems with the wireless turned off if I'm sitting
at home or something, because the wireless is

700
00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:21,811
actually one of the big power draws on the system.

701
00:43:21,811 --> 00:43:24,471
It'll probably eat twenty, thirty percent of your battery life.

702
00:43:24,471 --> 00:43:26,972
So I like to turn it off, but

703
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,951
I don't want to have to turn it on all the time.

704
00:43:28,951 --> 00:43:31,482
So Cloud Point will turn it on when it launches.

705
00:43:31,482 --> 00:43:33,764
And if it did that, it'll turn it off again when you quit.

706
00:43:33,764 --> 00:43:40,797
~ which is something other s other software does, but I wanted to do because I think it's
a nice little quality of life.

707
00:43:40,797 --> 00:43:43,869
So figuring stuff like that out is is cool.

708
00:43:43,869 --> 00:43:44,569
Yeah.

709
00:43:44,569 --> 00:43:46,110
And there's lots of little things like that.

710
00:43:46,110 --> 00:43:52,404
You know, making sure the system doesn't go to sleep if you're in the middle of a sink and
you close the lid or flip the two D S switch.

711
00:43:52,404 --> 00:43:56,556
You know, again I wanted to avoid doing that 'cause that could kind of break things.

712
00:43:56,556 --> 00:43:57,140
So

713
00:43:57,140 --> 00:43:59,221
doesn't go to sleep in the middle of it.

714
00:43:59,641 --> 00:44:08,506
lots of little little things like that which which which make up a small amount of the
software in in the grand scheme of things, but but they're really important for delivering

715
00:44:08,506 --> 00:44:21,814
something to people which which they can trust and which works well because software which
you release and it it isn't to a basic minimum quality bar, I'm just not I'm just not into

716
00:44:21,814 --> 00:44:22,154
that.

717
00:44:22,154 --> 00:44:26,736
Like I think it's a great way for people to to not use your software.

718
00:44:26,784 --> 00:44:27,648
Yeah.

719
00:44:27,893 --> 00:44:28,454
it we

720
00:44:28,454 --> 00:44:29,625
we see it a lot these days.

721
00:44:29,625 --> 00:44:41,329
There's ~ there's a big there's a big movement of of what we call vibe coding, which is
maybe a term you've heard, but this idea that, you know, you can use AI to do stuff for

722
00:44:41,329 --> 00:44:41,479
you.

723
00:44:41,479 --> 00:44:44,252
~ and that that can be a pain.

724
00:44:44,364 --> 00:44:49,107
on the GDA GBA temp forums, you'll see like, I made this thing.

725
00:44:49,107 --> 00:44:50,938
Come join my Discord server for it.

726
00:44:50,938 --> 00:44:53,209
And everyone's like, No.

727
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:54,940
No, I'm not joining

728
00:44:54,940 --> 00:44:55,881
your Discord for it.

729
00:44:55,881 --> 00:44:57,392
You probably vibe coded it.

730
00:44:57,392 --> 00:44:59,033
I don't trust you at all.

731
00:44:59,573 --> 00:45:01,260
Put it on GitHub if you really want.

732
00:45:01,260 --> 00:45:04,446
If you really want legitimacy, you know that's

733
00:45:04,928 --> 00:45:05,689
And and that

734
00:45:05,689 --> 00:45:08,411
and that's happening more and more, I'm seeing in these communities.

735
00:45:08,411 --> 00:45:11,573
It's like you see you see people vibe coding things.

736
00:45:12,174 --> 00:45:14,236
It's like I I I'm gonna be honest.

737
00:45:14,236 --> 00:45:17,137
I I I can't stand LLMs.

738
00:45:17,418 --> 00:45:21,301
The whole concept of vibe coding makes me wanna vomit.

739
00:45:21,301 --> 00:45:24,194
~ to be to be perfectly honest.

740
00:45:24,194 --> 00:45:31,109
I mean, I I get it, ~ but at the same time, like, well, what if people what if someone
made a great game that they can't program?

741
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:33,611
Then they maybe sh it's not gonna be a great game.

742
00:45:33,611 --> 00:45:34,822
It's not a great game.

743
00:45:34,822 --> 00:45:40,215
How how can it be a great game if you can't genuinely make a game yourself?

744
00:45:40,456 --> 00:45:42,037
You know, so

745
00:45:42,317 --> 00:45:46,550
so I'm I'm sorry, I I don't know how other people feel about this, but I can't stand LLMs.

746
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:47,772
I can't stand them.

747
00:45:47,772 --> 00:45:50,983
I have to use them for work now, and I hate it.

748
00:45:50,983 --> 00:45:56,907
I hate it so much, but I hate I also hate to admit that for some things it does save time.

749
00:45:56,907 --> 00:46:02,791
Like I don't I don't want to write four I don't want to write 40, 900 page descriptions
for Google.

750
00:46:02,791 --> 00:46:03,612
I really don't.

751
00:46:03,612 --> 00:46:04,362
So thank you.

752
00:46:04,362 --> 00:46:10,305
For that, I guess, but but people people doing creative things like games and art and
things?

753
00:46:10,305 --> 00:46:11,879
No, no, no, stop it.

754
00:46:11,879 --> 00:46:14,925
It it just makes me it

755
00:46:14,925 --> 00:46:16,887
I try and take a balanced view with this.

756
00:46:16,887 --> 00:46:21,807
~ like I I I also like deep down I don't really like LLMs.

757
00:46:21,807 --> 00:46:24,608
I I have issues with them with the with the ethics of it.

758
00:46:24,608 --> 00:46:26,553
You know, there is these things are fundamentally

759
00:46:26,553 --> 00:46:30,817
trained on on human output being sold back to us, which I find distasteful.

760
00:46:30,817 --> 00:46:32,478
I think there's a massive

761
00:46:32,478 --> 00:46:35,870
a massive issue with with the climate, which these things are not helping.

762
00:46:35,870 --> 00:46:40,483
~ here in the UK it's we're in it all the grass is brown.

763
00:46:40,483 --> 00:46:41,668
It's it's you know

764
00:46:41,668 --> 00:46:42,184
I

765
00:46:42,184 --> 00:46:42,424
five,

766
00:46:42,424 --> 00:46:43,995
forty degrees, and that's not normal here.

767
00:46:43,995 --> 00:46:54,509
And and you know, I I I will resist the temptation to use this as kind of like a a
pedestal to to to kind of push my own my own views on this because it's probably not the

768
00:46:54,509 --> 00:46:55,079
time or place.

769
00:46:55,079 --> 00:47:05,103
But I do think that that we sh you know we we cannot ignore the the you know the output of
any power hungry initiative and that includes LLM.

770
00:47:05,103 --> 00:47:06,519
So so I have issues there.

771
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:08,315
I try and take a balanced view

772
00:47:08,315 --> 00:47:11,784
but but yeah when it comes to software I think

773
00:47:11,784 --> 00:47:12,885
You they they are useful.

774
00:47:12,885 --> 00:47:17,719
And you know, full disclosure here, I I I do use LLM sometimes for software dev.

775
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,551
It's very hard not to these days.

776
00:47:19,551 --> 00:47:22,533
And you know, I I like to keep it minimal.

777
00:47:22,533 --> 00:47:25,366
I I don't run agents on my computer.

778
00:47:25,366 --> 00:47:30,640
I don't, you you there's no code in ClownPoint which is, you know, me writing a prompt and
getting it to write the code.

779
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,222
That's that's that's not how it's done.

780
00:47:32,222 --> 00:47:40,030
But I'd certainly do sometimes go to something like Claude and say, Hey, you know, is you
know, how secure is a sort of

781
00:47:40,030 --> 00:47:41,291
hundred and twenty eight bit number.

782
00:47:41,291 --> 00:47:44,484
You know, these are the sorts of questions you have to ask yourself sometimes in software.

783
00:47:44,484 --> 00:47:47,807
And and and I will I will use it to help me answer that question.

784
00:47:47,807 --> 00:47:50,369
In the same way I would I would search Google to answer things.

785
00:47:50,369 --> 00:47:53,221
And that's that I'm okay with that, but there's a limit.

786
00:47:53,221 --> 00:47:56,874
using it for mundane information searching like that.

787
00:47:56,874 --> 00:48:02,608
You know, I think that's fine because it's just a different way to parse, it's just a
different search engine in that regard.

788
00:48:02,608 --> 00:48:08,022
And it just parses and gives you the information a little differently than the 10 blue
links or whatever, you know.

789
00:48:08,022 --> 00:48:15,537
But when you're using it to create art or music or or books, it's like, no, no, that's
not.

790
00:48:15,537 --> 00:48:16,228
Stop.

791
00:48:16,228 --> 00:48:16,824
No.

792
00:48:16,824 --> 00:48:17,865
not that's not for me.

793
00:48:17,865 --> 00:48:19,796
I ~ I like I say,

794
00:48:19,796 --> 00:48:32,973
I try and take a balanced view and and I've I've I I will generally resist the urge to to
kind of fight a holy war on this because ~ I've found that I guess as I've got older I I I

795
00:48:32,973 --> 00:48:43,099
try and I try and see everybody's viewpoint and I try and take a balanced view and I you
know I'm less I'm less vehemently opinionated than I once was perhaps.

796
00:48:43,099 --> 00:48:46,170
But ~ I am also entitled

797
00:48:46,192 --> 00:48:48,175
I'm the opposite.

798
00:48:48,175 --> 00:48:49,116
I can

799
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:51,951
All right, sorry.

800
00:48:52,359 --> 00:49:01,724
I I I think, you know, I I I guess I'm wary of of like denigrating anybody who does choose
to to use these tools in the way they see fit.

801
00:49:01,724 --> 00:49:07,347
I'm also free not to read your AI written book or watch your AI written movie or play your

802
00:49:07,347 --> 00:49:15,604
AI developed game or certainly listen to your AI developed music that ~ to misquote Hayao
Miyazaki, the the wonderful

803
00:49:15,604 --> 00:49:21,546
Japanese ~ director and artist AI as an affront to life itself.

804
00:49:21,546 --> 00:49:24,848
And and it's ~ I I kinda believe that.

805
00:49:24,848 --> 00:49:27,009
~ and try and

806
00:49:27,009 --> 00:49:31,644
remember it while also letting other people do what they want to do and letting the chips
fall where they may.

807
00:49:31,644 --> 00:49:35,552
~ and if other people want to use LLMs to make software, that's fine.

808
00:49:35,552 --> 00:49:45,320
I do think that if you're vibe coding, to bring this full circle, if you're vibe coding
your software, I I am doubtful that you are

809
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:53,627
if you're inexperienced gonna be aware of the sorts of things that you need to do to take
the software to kind of like a minimum level of quality.

810
00:49:53,627 --> 00:49:54,227
And and if

811
00:49:54,227 --> 00:50:03,395
you release it in that state, you will you will essentially hurt your chances of of
reaching a an audience who might otherwise like your software.

812
00:50:03,395 --> 00:50:12,182
And so that's kind of why it was important for me to make sure that, you know, turning on
the Wi Fi at the right time worked and make sure that not sleeping when you shut the lid

813
00:50:12,182 --> 00:50:15,250
worked and making sure that if something goes wrong it can

814
00:50:15,250 --> 00:50:15,970
it can recover.

815
00:50:15,970 --> 00:50:17,932
Like you you know, a backup is taken.

816
00:50:17,932 --> 00:50:20,663
Whenever you download a save, it backs it up first.

817
00:50:20,663 --> 00:50:21,474
You can actually turn

818
00:50:21,474 --> 00:50:24,215
that off if you want to, if you 'cause it takes a while, believe it or not.

819
00:50:24,215 --> 00:50:27,637
It's one of the slowest things in the system is backing up your save before you overwrite
it.

820
00:50:27,637 --> 00:50:30,229
But you know, it does those sorts of things.

821
00:50:30,229 --> 00:50:39,254
And these are the things that I think you may lose if you go to Claude and say, Hey
Claude, write me a sync tool and make no mistakes.

822
00:50:39,254 --> 00:50:41,035
So there we go.

823
00:50:42,076 --> 00:50:42,522
Yeah.

824
00:50:42,522 --> 00:50:52,589
I I just wanted to say that I I I appreciate that you have I'm not I don't know if
mellowed is the right word, but you've become more open to some things.

825
00:50:52,589 --> 00:51:03,286
I am the opposite in some I like I'm I'm I'm very much that I want everyone to have a
basic, you know, quality of life and and I want everyone to like have access to healthcare

826
00:51:03,286 --> 00:51:03,667
and everything.

827
00:51:03,667 --> 00:51:08,412
And I think things like LLMs are the complete antithesis of the socialist ~

828
00:51:08,412 --> 00:51:10,413
Star Trek laden future that I want.

829
00:51:10,413 --> 00:51:22,910
So I'm I'm ~ and and it hell and for me, because I know so many game developers and I know
so many people who want to get into voice acting and whatnot, it's just really gotten

830
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:23,980
personal

831
00:51:24,404 --> 00:51:24,761
Yeah.

832
00:51:24,761 --> 00:51:32,305
be because I I see, you know, people directly affected by by these problems.

833
00:51:32,305 --> 00:51:35,867
And so it's just really, it just very much frustrates me.

834
00:51:35,867 --> 00:51:37,648
~ I I I

835
00:51:37,648 --> 00:51:38,280
wish that

836
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,581
I wish that.

837
00:51:39,581 --> 00:51:46,326
I guess if you're gonna vibe code something, my what I would say is please just disclose
it.

838
00:51:46,326 --> 00:51:48,909
Please just say you vibe coded it.

839
00:51:48,909 --> 00:51:49,900
A lot no one does.

840
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:50,430
No one does.

841
00:51:50,430 --> 00:51:51,721
No one's like, I made this thing.

842
00:51:51,721 --> 00:51:53,473
No, you you didn't.

843
00:51:53,473 --> 00:51:57,016
But let's be honest, you made nothing.

844
00:51:57,016 --> 00:52:06,974
But but I I think I think if you ~ told people that, hey, I vibe coded this, I think you'd
~

845
00:52:08,254 --> 00:52:10,387
I honestly think you'd probably get more

846
00:52:12,628 --> 00:52:16,488
More of respect because you admitted it rather than tried to hide it.

847
00:52:16,488 --> 00:52:16,829
do.

848
00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:17,809
You absolutely do.

849
00:52:17,809 --> 00:52:21,342
You know, we see this on on programming on forums like the Rust subreddit.

850
00:52:21,342 --> 00:52:29,818
You know, there many people pop up in there and say, Hey, I mean you can you can detect
the the the LLM written posts in a heartbeat because they have a very particular style

851
00:52:29,818 --> 00:52:30,618
that is sort of in

852
00:52:30,618 --> 00:52:33,708
the uncanny valley that I personally find quite quite off putting.

853
00:52:33,708 --> 00:52:34,581
~ you know,

854
00:52:34,581 --> 00:52:36,983
but people use these tools for writing documentation.

855
00:52:36,983 --> 00:52:40,085
I absolutely don't because, you know, I I like to write myself.

856
00:52:40,085 --> 00:52:41,906
I I I like the humanity of it.

857
00:52:41,906 --> 00:52:44,170
~ but you can see you can detect the

858
00:52:44,170 --> 00:52:53,034
the LLM written posts immediately and and and people descend on them and can say like
you're get in the C like we we don't want to we don't wanna we don't want to hear this.

859
00:52:53,034 --> 00:52:59,646
But if people turn up and say, hey, I vibe coded this, you will at least start from a
baseline of common understanding.

860
00:52:59,646 --> 00:53:03,107
~ And you can go from there and and

861
00:53:03,328 --> 00:53:04,568
find the common ground.

862
00:53:04,798 --> 00:53:09,790
I think if you say that, you're also saying that look, I'm inexperienced, I vibe coded
this.

863
00:53:09,790 --> 00:53:13,331
I could use help to make it better.

864
00:53:13,532 --> 00:53:16,303
You know, I could, I could use, you know, some advice.

865
00:53:16,303 --> 00:53:26,897
Like if you come at it from a place of I've instead of I made this thing, like, hey, I
asked AI to make this thing because I want to learn, help me learn beyond what AI has told

866
00:53:26,897 --> 00:53:27,107
me.

867
00:53:27,107 --> 00:53:28,718
I think that's fine.

868
00:53:28,858 --> 00:53:30,079
I think that's fine.

869
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:31,900
But not a lot of people do that.

870
00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:33,494
Not a lot of people do that.

871
00:53:33,830 --> 00:53:34,621
~ so I do

872
00:53:34,621 --> 00:53:40,504
have a I do have a question about CloudFoint specifically because I have it up and running
on my system.

873
00:53:43,474 --> 00:53:44,364
It it crashed.

874
00:53:44,364 --> 00:53:45,485
~ there it goes.

875
00:53:45,485 --> 00:53:48,262
~ s so

876
00:53:48,262 --> 00:53:48,933
not.

877
00:53:49,008 --> 00:53:51,330
it it it did, it it just stopped working.

878
00:53:51,330 --> 00:53:51,980
Buddy, how

879
00:53:51,980 --> 00:53:52,604
you doing?

880
00:53:52,604 --> 00:53:53,892
~ there it goes.

881
00:53:53,892 --> 00:53:54,672
Just took a moment.

882
00:53:54,672 --> 00:53:56,213
~

883
00:53:56,213 --> 00:54:00,764
yeah now I mean it I loaded it, it went back to the home screen, I loaded it again.

884
00:54:00,764 --> 00:54:02,198
~ anyway.

885
00:54:02,198 --> 00:54:05,880
So ~ I have a question about virtual console games.

886
00:54:06,474 --> 00:54:07,253
Yes.

887
00:54:07,870 --> 00:54:08,610
Is that a thing?

888
00:54:08,610 --> 00:54:13,523
Because I I noticed that I think on here there might be some of them that I have on my
system.

889
00:54:13,523 --> 00:54:14,683
Like I think,

890
00:54:15,464 --> 00:54:22,398
like I think Pokemon Yellow version, for example, I think is a is a for example, I believe
is a virtual console game.

891
00:54:22,398 --> 00:54:24,219
Tetris DX is virtual console game.

892
00:54:24,219 --> 00:54:28,171
So it does see some virtual console games.

893
00:54:28,171 --> 00:54:35,135
But I've got a lot of Pokemon ROM hacks on this thing, and it it doesn't see those.

894
00:54:35,135 --> 00:54:36,455
Whereas checkpoint

895
00:54:36,455 --> 00:54:37,866
it checkpoint does.

896
00:54:37,866 --> 00:54:39,397
So this is not a criticism.

897
00:54:39,397 --> 00:54:40,187
I'm asking.

898
00:54:40,187 --> 00:54:42,288
This

899
00:54:42,288 --> 00:54:42,968
is not a criticism.

900
00:54:42,968 --> 00:54:45,959
I'm bringing it up because I want to ask if that's something you're aware of.

901
00:54:45,959 --> 00:54:47,560
Is that something you're working on?

902
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:48,560
That sort of thing.

903
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:49,841
Because I would love to see that.

904
00:54:49,841 --> 00:54:55,043
I would love to be able to sync my Pokemon up unbound save between my machines.

905
00:54:55,043 --> 00:54:56,764
~

906
00:54:56,764 --> 00:54:58,264
but I wanted to ask about that.

907
00:54:58,401 --> 00:54:59,491
This is a great question.

908
00:54:59,491 --> 00:55:00,942
I'm glad you've asked this.

909
00:55:01,682 --> 00:55:13,257
so the short well the long and the short of it is that virtual console games in general
will show up in CloudPoint just fine because they basically appear to the system as 3DS

910
00:55:13,257 --> 00:55:14,068
games.

911
00:55:14,068 --> 00:55:24,552
They they run in an emulator ~ in within you know the three DS runs in an actual emulator
and and it's presented to the system as a game.

912
00:55:24,552 --> 00:55:28,695
It has a title ID, it has a save archive, everything works as it normally does.

913
00:55:28,696 --> 00:55:30,177
You're off to the races, no problem.

914
00:55:30,177 --> 00:55:36,072
So, you know, Super Nintendo games or ~ or original Game Boy games, things like that,
they're that they work.

915
00:55:36,072 --> 00:55:36,572
They always have.

916
00:55:36,572 --> 00:55:42,227
~ The games that you're referring to are ge are Game Boy Advanced games.

917
00:55:42,227 --> 00:55:53,984
So the Game Boy Advanced support on three DS is a bit of an a it's a bit anomalous because
the three D S contains the hardware from a DS, because it's it's backwards compatible.

918
00:55:53,984 --> 00:55:56,785
There's no emulation there, it actually contains the hardware.

919
00:55:56,785 --> 00:56:02,767
One of the CPUs of the three or four that you mention is actually the CPU that's in a GBA.

920
00:56:03,368 --> 00:56:09,531
and that means that the system can run those GBA games using that CPU.

921
00:56:09,611 --> 00:56:16,214
But of course, the the the 3DS doesn't have a a a s a cart slot that supports GBA.

922
00:56:16,214 --> 00:56:21,946
So the only way that you ever get GBA games on a 3DS is via virtual console.

923
00:56:21,950 --> 00:56:26,780
And when a virtual console game is a three is a GBA game, they are run in a very different
way.

924
00:56:26,780 --> 00:56:29,987
They're not emulated the same way that the other games are.

925
00:56:29,987 --> 00:56:32,571
They are actually running on original hardware.

926
00:56:32,571 --> 00:56:36,675
And the saves are totally different to a normal game as well.

927
00:56:36,675 --> 00:56:39,778
They I don't think they're written to the SD card.

928
00:56:39,778 --> 00:56:44,183
I think they're actually on the on the console's NAND, on the the built-in chip.

929
00:56:44,183 --> 00:56:45,663
~

930
00:56:45,663 --> 00:56:51,915
I I to I had because I wanted to get a save from Pokemon Unbound, I had to go into God
mode nine.

931
00:56:51,915 --> 00:56:58,118
~ because the the save from checkpoint didn't work for some reason when I put it on the
DSI.

932
00:56:58,118 --> 00:57:02,730
But I went into God mode and dumped the virtual NAND, I think it was called.

933
00:57:02,730 --> 00:57:03,560
~

934
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,301
and that save worked.

935
00:57:05,301 --> 00:57:06,692
So that was fascinating.

936
00:57:06,692 --> 00:57:08,182
I'd never done anything like that before.

937
00:57:08,182 --> 00:57:08,903
So yeah, you're right.

938
00:57:08,903 --> 00:57:12,884
It's saved in like a virtual part of the NAND.

939
00:57:12,948 --> 00:57:16,580
Which is NAND is like system memory, ~ if you're unaware.

940
00:57:16,580 --> 00:57:19,132
And it's there's there's very different types.

941
00:57:19,132 --> 00:57:20,353
There's several of them.

942
00:57:20,353 --> 00:57:22,194
And they're all over the place.

943
00:57:22,194 --> 00:57:23,074
Whoo!

944
00:57:24,816 --> 00:57:28,998
it's it's a fascinating machine with all these nooks and crannies.

945
00:57:29,439 --> 00:57:36,638
But yeah, so because it emulates on the hardware and has a different save system,
CloudPoint can't see it yet.

946
00:57:36,638 --> 00:57:37,949
It it can't see it yet.

947
00:57:37,949 --> 00:57:39,451
~ and

948
00:57:39,451 --> 00:57:46,537
Checkpoint recently, and we're talking in the last few weeks at the time of recording, ~
actually brought support.

949
00:57:46,537 --> 00:57:50,681
I think Checkpoint five point naught or four point naught brought support for these games
in.

950
00:57:50,681 --> 00:57:53,731
~ there's actually it was.

951
00:57:53,731 --> 00:57:54,103
to see.

952
00:57:54,103 --> 00:57:54,524
Yeah.

953
00:57:54,524 --> 00:57:55,005
It was.

954
00:57:55,005 --> 00:57:57,006
There was a PR that's been open for literally years.

955
00:57:57,006 --> 00:58:02,039
~ and there's been a flurry of activity on Checkpoint in the last few weeks.

956
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:03,392
They've clearly

957
00:58:03,392 --> 00:58:09,695
you know, had a lot of a lot of effort thrown at it and and lots of good support available
to them to well I think it I say them.

958
00:58:09,695 --> 00:58:13,377
I think it's one guy who but pretty much does most of the work, like credit to him.

959
00:58:14,298 --> 00:58:15,498
credit to them.

960
00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:26,225
so yeah, they that PR got merged and I and I have looked at that PR and I will certainly
be using that to to figure out how to do it myself because it's a really a really useful

961
00:58:26,225 --> 00:58:26,925
PR.

962
00:58:26,925 --> 00:58:32,852
So yes, I will be it's one of my top priority things actually get support for these games
into CloudPoint.

963
00:58:32,852 --> 00:58:36,794
And I want them just to show up i yeah on the title list, same as anything else.

964
00:58:36,794 --> 00:58:41,259
And I want the save to get synced automatically on an auto sync like everything else.

965
00:58:41,259 --> 00:58:44,772
~ but the actual mechanics of doing it are a bit different.

966
00:58:44,772 --> 00:58:53,529
You know, you have to go and grab the save out of the NAND, you have to ~ do the rest of
the stuff that CloudPoint already does probably won't be very different.

967
00:58:53,529 --> 00:58:57,932
But then writing it back again, you have to the write is also done in a different way.

968
00:58:57,932 --> 00:59:02,506
~ and because it's using the NAND, that's a bit more risky.

969
00:59:02,506 --> 00:59:03,237
fundamentally.

970
00:59:03,237 --> 00:59:07,754
~ so you know, you need to make sure that everything there is is is above board and well
tested.

971
00:59:07,754 --> 00:59:13,191
So it's not something that I'm gonna just ~ kind of do without much test.

972
00:59:13,191 --> 00:59:16,816
I mean I don't really do anything without much testing, but some things you can

973
00:59:16,937 --> 00:59:20,115
set aside five of your DSs, three DSs for testing this thing.

974
00:59:20,115 --> 00:59:22,787
I may I may lose one or two to the cause, but it's worth it.

975
00:59:22,787 --> 00:59:23,807
It's fine.

976
00:59:23,907 --> 00:59:24,528
Yeah.

977
00:59:24,528 --> 00:59:26,929
I I no.

978
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:28,491
No, no.

979
00:59:28,491 --> 00:59:29,101
I I

980
00:59:29,101 --> 00:59:29,611
I haven't.

981
00:59:29,611 --> 00:59:33,094
The sorts of things that I'm doing with Cloudpoint, I mean this is probably a good
opportunity to say it.

982
00:59:33,094 --> 00:59:35,884
The sorts of things I'm doing with CloudPoint are are pretty safe.

983
00:59:35,884 --> 00:59:43,581
You know, we're we're we're writing reading and writing to and from the SD card, ~ using
APIs that that are available via DevKit pro.

984
00:59:43,581 --> 00:59:46,013
So there's not really any hackery going on there.

985
00:59:46,013 --> 00:59:47,659
It's all pretty straightforward.

986
00:59:47,659 --> 00:59:52,051
There's barely any code that kind of touches the the system outside of that.

987
00:59:52,241 --> 00:59:54,333
I'm always keen to avoid doing that.

988
00:59:54,333 --> 00:59:57,164
~ so no, it it's it's I've not lost any yet.

989
00:59:57,164 --> 00:59:58,995
And I I don't I don't plan to.

990
00:59:58,995 --> 00:59:59,715
So we'll we'll see.

991
00:59:59,715 --> 01:00:05,678
But you know, if it's gonna happen, it'll happen while I'm testing this feature because
this is this is a tricky one.

992
01:00:05,678 --> 01:00:14,733
But I I have a plan and I'm gonna I'm gonna work on it because I f I feel that this is one
of the last big core features that that I I'd like to see.

993
01:00:14,733 --> 01:00:16,510
Like if this was there

994
01:00:16,510 --> 01:00:27,448
I would be pretty happy that all you know, ninety-five, ninety six, ninety seven percent
of games could be synced by a cloud point as you'd expect them to, without really having

995
01:00:27,448 --> 01:00:29,719
to understand how any of it works.

996
01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:34,272
'Cause although you and I find it interesting, Brian, many people don't, and that's cool.

997
01:00:34,272 --> 01:00:36,060
Like I I understand that completely.

998
01:00:36,060 --> 01:00:44,600
If you just wanna fire it up and not really understand that, you know, Pokemon whatever it
is for for G B A,

999
01:00:45,940 --> 01:00:46,871
does things very differently.

1000
01:00:46,871 --> 01:00:49,943
If you don't want to know that, I I totally respect that.

1001
01:00:49,943 --> 01:00:53,126
You know, you you you you have other things you want to do and that's cool.

1002
01:00:53,126 --> 01:00:55,258
So so yeah, I don't want people to think about it.

1003
01:00:55,258 --> 01:01:00,273
And this is for me, this is one of the last big ones that that I don't have in place.

1004
01:01:00,273 --> 01:01:02,184
It's more important to me than almost anything else.

1005
01:01:02,184 --> 01:01:09,330
It's more important to me than supporting syncing of things like DS ~ save files that
people might have with emulators.

1006
01:01:09,330 --> 01:01:13,802
You know, that that might be a thing that I add, but I don't know if it's a core feature.

1007
01:01:13,802 --> 01:01:14,504
Whereas I think

1008
01:01:14,504 --> 01:01:16,900
syncing your G B A games is a cool feature.

1009
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:26,556
That'd be tricky because the saves for DS games are just these just f un unencrypted files
in a directory, in a saves directory, usually.

1010
01:01:26,556 --> 01:01:30,819
that that part of it wouldn't wouldn't actually be hard because I mean to to

1011
01:01:30,819 --> 01:01:34,382
to delve into the the internals of this if you'll indulge me.

1012
01:01:34,382 --> 01:01:36,322
~

1013
01:01:36,343 --> 01:01:46,450
so the way that the way that CloudPoint works, I mean to to take a step back, the reason I
was able to to write all the syncing stuff quite easily, because that that stuff was not

1014
01:01:46,450 --> 01:01:47,470
the hard part.

1015
01:01:47,470 --> 01:01:56,146
~ the reason I was able to do that is because over the last three years, I guess, I've
been sort of writing on and off a Rust library.

1016
01:01:56,176 --> 01:02:03,580
~ which is is essentially all about synchronizing data across the network.

1017
01:02:03,580 --> 01:02:14,926
So the use case here really is that you have some folder on a computer that you want to be
able to synchronize to other computers efficiently.

1018
01:02:14,926 --> 01:02:17,722
~ There are a number of use cases for this.

1019
01:02:17,722 --> 01:02:26,192
You know, you might you might use something like this for like a a file backup tool ~ or
you you might use it to distribute software.

1020
01:02:26,302 --> 01:02:28,444
and update that software across computers.

1021
01:02:28,444 --> 01:02:39,083
So you know you you you keep updating new versions of your of your your application and
the users of that application ~ run an updater and that updater is able to kind of look at

1022
01:02:39,083 --> 01:02:46,468
the what you've got on your disk and say, hey these bits of this file have changed, these
bits have moved around, these bits have been deleted, whatever it is.

1023
01:02:46,489 --> 01:02:54,575
And and just download the important bits that it needs to over the network and maybe move
some stuff around on the disk that it that it already has but is in the wrong place.

1024
01:02:54,575 --> 01:02:56,010
All of that code which

1025
01:02:56,010 --> 01:02:57,561
Which is quite a complex thing.

1026
01:02:57,561 --> 01:03:06,784
~ and I originally did to support something I became interested in through my through my
day job, which I'll probably won't go into too much, but that's what led me on that path.

1027
01:03:06,784 --> 01:03:09,065
~ I had all of that in that library.

1028
01:03:09,065 --> 01:03:12,287
And that's actually, you know, something I will open source very soon.

1029
01:03:12,287 --> 01:03:14,567
~ but I had all of that.

1030
01:03:14,848 --> 01:03:23,581
And and that means that that code could could run on like an arbitrary folder on your on a
on a 3ds very easily.

1031
01:03:23,581 --> 01:03:26,032
You know you could you could say to it,

1032
01:03:26,346 --> 01:03:32,040
Just look for all the like dot sav files in this directory and sync them.

1033
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:33,862
And and CloudPoint could do that really easily.

1034
01:03:33,862 --> 01:03:45,230
~ but the tricky part here, or the at least the part that's not as easily solvable without
giving it some serious thought, is how you present that in a user interface coherently.

1035
01:03:45,230 --> 01:03:52,535
Because you've kind of got this folder full of random files which don't present much about
themselves other than their names.

1036
01:03:52,696 --> 01:03:53,468
And you

1037
01:03:53,468 --> 01:03:55,479
I would want those to be available as

1038
01:03:55,479 --> 01:04:07,074
titles and I'd want them to be ~ handled sensitively and and I wouldn't necessarily want
to just kind of like use the name of the file to to figure out what it is 'cause that's

1039
01:04:07,074 --> 01:04:08,384
fraught with problems itself.

1040
01:04:08,384 --> 01:04:16,057
So there's a lot of stuff which exists just outside of the core the core software which
you'd have to solve.

1041
01:04:16,057 --> 01:04:18,238
So that's where things get a little bit tricky there.

1042
01:04:18,238 --> 01:04:22,730
I've thought about doing the same thing for your ~ for your your camera role on your three
DS, in fact.

1043
01:04:22,730 --> 01:04:23,220
It's

1044
01:04:23,220 --> 01:04:26,001
This came up in an issue the other day, someone posted about it.

1045
01:04:26,001 --> 01:04:33,643
I kind of thought, well, it might be nice if you could synchronize your photos as well,
and then you get all your photos from all your DSs on all your DSs.

1046
01:04:33,643 --> 01:04:41,185
~ that'd be easy to do from a from a code point of view, because it's just synchronizing
some some files in a in a well known directory.

1047
01:04:41,185 --> 01:04:50,898
Cloudpoint ~ could do that with very little work, but then you you have to start to think,
well, how do I deal with file sizes and how do I deal with

1048
01:04:51,594 --> 01:05:00,958
people doing stuff they shouldn't be doing and how do I deal with people putting files,
you know, massive files in here to max out the you know, the the the network transfer or

1049
01:05:00,958 --> 01:05:03,599
cause me problems like create denial of service vectors.

1050
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:08,291
So these are the sorts of things that start to make a simple idea complex.

1051
01:05:08,291 --> 01:05:17,495
And and this is why I think one of the one of the most important things that you do in any
software development, to be honest, but particularly when it's just one of you writing

1052
01:05:17,495 --> 01:05:20,740
something that you you have a passion for.

1053
01:05:20,740 --> 01:05:27,135
is is only committing to stuff that you really think is core and you really think you can
do a good job of.

1054
01:05:27,135 --> 01:05:30,348
Because I don't want to half arse features out the door.

1055
01:05:30,348 --> 01:05:32,390
I want to actually do things right.

1056
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:33,851
I want to do them by hand.

1057
01:05:33,851 --> 01:05:37,895
You know, I maybe I could get an LLM to do some of this stuff quicker, probably.

1058
01:05:37,895 --> 01:05:42,749
But I'm not doing this for like I'm not optimizing for for speed of delivery, to be
honest, Ryan.

1059
01:05:42,749 --> 01:05:48,484
I'm I'm optimizing for for me having fun and me having something that I'm proud of and

1060
01:05:48,484 --> 01:05:49,284
me

1061
01:05:49,290 --> 01:05:51,971
being able to look back at it and say, Yeah, I did that and I'm proud of it.

1062
01:05:51,971 --> 01:05:53,452
And that's that's

1063
01:05:53,452 --> 01:05:56,754
something I can do 'cause 'cause it's mine and and I share it with everyone.

1064
01:05:56,754 --> 01:05:59,626
But I don't have I don't have a board to answer to.

1065
01:05:59,626 --> 01:06:01,847
I don't have shareholder value to maximise.

1066
01:06:01,847 --> 01:06:04,958
I just have my own my own whims to to indulge.

1067
01:06:04,958 --> 01:06:08,110
And, you know, that's the privilege of open source maintainers, I guess.

1068
01:06:08,110 --> 01:06:10,671
You can you can do this stuff if you want to.

1069
01:06:11,012 --> 01:06:11,861
And I do.

1070
01:06:11,861 --> 01:06:15,836
And I do I'm I'm with you on the do it right rather than do it quickly.

1071
01:06:15,836 --> 01:06:17,260
I'm I'm with you on.

1072
01:06:17,260 --> 01:06:19,070
I've I've always believed.

1073
01:06:19,252 --> 01:06:22,756
I d since we're over an hour, I have one more question before we wrap up.

1074
01:06:22,756 --> 01:06:28,314
~ tell me about ~ self hosting with CloudPoint.

1075
01:06:29,044 --> 01:06:30,786
Yes, that's another great question.

1076
01:06:30,786 --> 01:06:31,907
Thank you for asking.

1077
01:06:31,907 --> 01:06:41,986
So yeah, ~ obviously there's I mean the the by implication there, there is also the kind
of public instance of CloudPoint, which which I run.

1078
01:06:41,986 --> 01:06:44,684
Excuse me, may I just need to have a drink.

1079
01:06:44,684 --> 01:06:46,340
I've been talking a lot.

1080
01:06:46,538 --> 01:06:47,365
Yeah.

1081
01:06:48,138 --> 01:06:48,948
Okay.

1082
01:06:49,056 --> 01:06:49,649
No worries.

1083
01:06:49,649 --> 01:06:52,631
So there is a public instance.

1084
01:06:53,392 --> 01:06:59,376
And if you just run ~ CloudPoint excuse me for just one second, I need another drink.

1085
01:06:59,376 --> 01:06:59,840
I have

1086
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:01,020
No worries, no worries.

1087
01:07:01,020 --> 01:07:01,945
What you gotta do.

1088
01:07:01,945 --> 01:07:04,592
~ Yeah.

1089
01:07:04,592 --> 01:07:06,606
Staying hydrated is very important.

1090
01:07:07,742 --> 01:07:08,412
It certainly is.

1091
01:07:08,412 --> 01:07:09,852
Okay, I think we're back.

1092
01:07:09,853 --> 01:07:10,413
So yeah, there's

1093
01:07:10,413 --> 01:07:13,593
a there's a there's a public instance which I host.

1094
01:07:13,934 --> 01:07:15,754
Just runs on a fairly basic server.

1095
01:07:15,754 --> 01:07:21,356
~ it doesn't require much because CloudPoint is a very very low intensity thing.

1096
01:07:21,356 --> 01:07:28,698
But I run that and if you just download CloudPoint from Universal Updater and just and
just run it, it will synchronize with the public server.

1097
01:07:28,978 --> 01:07:34,239
And you can share your key with all your other systems and they'll all use the public
server and everything's fine.

1098
01:07:34,300 --> 01:07:35,020
and you can do that.

1099
01:07:35,020 --> 01:07:36,340
~

1100
01:07:36,884 --> 01:07:41,648
Some people prefer to self-host, ~ and that's something we support as well.

1101
01:07:41,648 --> 01:07:52,737
So you can this is all documented on the on the the the GitHub page, but essentially you
can go and and and for more technical people who might have like a home lab at home, you

1102
01:07:52,737 --> 01:08:04,266
can you can run a couple of commands on your on your home lab and it will use a a system
called Docker to ~ to kind of run the service that it needs on your home lab.

1103
01:08:04,266 --> 01:08:06,728
And then you just modify a config file on your

1104
01:08:06,728 --> 01:08:08,285
on your cloud point.

1105
01:08:10,504 --> 01:08:17,570
you modify a config file on your three DS or each of your three DS that you want to use,
just give it the server address of your self hosted server.

1106
01:08:17,570 --> 01:08:19,951
And then when you run it, it will connect to that.

1107
01:08:20,192 --> 01:08:22,113
And it will sync everything to a server that you own.

1108
01:08:22,113 --> 01:08:26,717
~ and and it's exactly the same as as what runs in public.

1109
01:08:26,717 --> 01:08:27,758
It's the same software.

1110
01:08:27,758 --> 01:08:28,739
There's nothing special.

1111
01:08:28,739 --> 01:08:31,521
~ and and some people prefer to do that.

1112
01:08:31,521 --> 01:08:38,187
In fact there's just looking at this now, there's one point two thousand downloads of the
self hosted server over its life.

1113
01:08:38,187 --> 01:08:40,060
So you know

1114
01:08:40,060 --> 01:08:41,440
It's it's more than I expected.

1115
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:44,931
Whether that is a true number, I haven't investigated.

1116
01:08:44,931 --> 01:08:50,573
~ you know, for all I know, a bot farm is downloading it a thousand times a a day,

1117
01:08:50,573 --> 01:08:51,653
but I doubt it.

1118
01:08:51,653 --> 01:08:53,244
You know, it's probably broadly accurate.

1119
01:08:53,244 --> 01:08:57,195
So I think it's about a thousand people who've self hosted it and ~ not getting

1120
01:08:57,195 --> 01:08:58,946
many bug reports, so that's pretty good.

1121
01:08:58,946 --> 01:09:07,284
~ and then yeah, you add to that the sort of ~ few thousand people using the public
instance and there's there's certainly a few of these out there, but yeah.

1122
01:09:07,284 --> 01:09:09,485
Self hosting is is really easy to do.

1123
01:09:09,485 --> 01:09:11,757
Look on the GitHub, you'll figure out how to do it.

1124
01:09:11,757 --> 01:09:18,791
And if you have any issues with it, just drop a line ~ in the GitHub issues and we can we
can sort you out.

1125
01:09:18,791 --> 01:09:23,273
And ~ and yeah, you you then own your own data and you can control it.

1126
01:09:23,273 --> 01:09:25,034
I should be transparent here.

1127
01:09:25,415 --> 01:09:32,989
The data that you will have in your system sitting in a database will not make much sense
to you on its own.

1128
01:09:32,989 --> 01:09:35,020
You know, it's not like you get

1129
01:09:35,326 --> 01:09:43,363
It's not like you have all your games sort of visible in a folder that you can go in and
kind of access via timestamp and just copy around.

1130
01:09:43,363 --> 01:09:44,974
That isn't how CloudPoint works.

1131
01:09:44,974 --> 01:09:47,967
It it's it's like a deduplicated system.

1132
01:09:47,967 --> 01:09:49,208
I kind of touched on this before.

1133
01:09:49,208 --> 01:09:58,576
So so when you synchronize your games, it will only upload or download parts of saves that
have actually changed, which is one of the reasons it's pretty quick.

1134
01:09:58,576 --> 01:10:04,126
I mean you you you I I guess I only notice it because I I work on it, but

1135
01:10:04,126 --> 01:10:10,742
something like Terraria, the first time you upload it, it's it's uploading a thirty-two
megabyte save.

1136
01:10:10,742 --> 01:10:16,867
Although it it is actually deduplicating a lot of that because most of that blank that
save is just blank space.

1137
01:10:16,867 --> 01:10:19,830
So CloudPoint doesn't really need to upload it in totality.

1138
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:23,373
It can it can it can it kinda knows that most of it's the same.

1139
01:10:23,373 --> 01:10:27,716
And so it it just references the the bits that are the same each time it needs them.

1140
01:10:27,817 --> 01:10:31,904
But the first time it does that it's it's a bit slower and then

1141
01:10:31,904 --> 01:10:36,685
The second time it does it, it'll be way quicker because it's only really downloading
changes.

1142
01:10:36,685 --> 01:10:45,608
~ but that means that the format that you get on the self-hosted instance is a database
full of information that is not very useful to you.

1143
01:10:45,608 --> 01:10:54,841
And while I may add a web interface to this at some point that that would let you go in
and look at your versions and download them and modify them and delete them and stuff, I

1144
01:10:54,841 --> 01:10:57,851
haven't got there yet and that's not a priority for me.

1145
01:10:57,851 --> 01:10:59,592
~ I may do it,

1146
01:10:59,592 --> 01:11:00,286
but

1147
01:11:00,286 --> 01:11:10,236
Right now it's just it you control the data, but you kind of have to accept that it's not
actually that usable to you outside of CloudPoint at this point.

1148
01:11:10,236 --> 01:11:12,672
probably good for safety and security also.

1149
01:11:12,672 --> 01:11:13,622
Probably, probably.

1150
01:11:13,622 --> 01:11:24,677
I would say that, you know, if you are interested in long term preservation of your saves
on a server, what I would recommend most people do is use Checkpoint.

1151
01:11:24,677 --> 01:11:28,378
You know, I I I've got a great amount of respect for for Checkpoint.

1152
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:29,639
I think it's great software.

1153
01:11:29,639 --> 01:11:34,841
That's you can tell I I mean I think it's great and I I kind of reference its name in the
name of CloudPoint.

1154
01:11:34,841 --> 01:11:37,382
~ I hope they don't mind.

1155
01:11:37,382 --> 01:11:41,844
I did ask them and I didn't hear back, but you know, I I haven't heard anything to the
contrary yet, so

1156
01:11:41,844 --> 01:11:43,365
Hopefully they're fine with that.

1157
01:11:43,365 --> 01:11:45,105
it's just a little a little wink really.

1158
01:11:45,105 --> 01:11:51,588
But they using Checkpoint to actually create long-term archives of saves is absolutely
what I would recommend you do.

1159
01:11:51,588 --> 01:11:58,241
In the latest version of Checkpoint, you can actually upload your saves straight to
something like Google Cloud or a web dev server that you own.

1160
01:11:58,241 --> 01:12:00,972
They added this recently, they added a scripts feature.

1161
01:12:01,088 --> 01:12:03,673
they've been they've been rolling out tons of features this week.

1162
01:12:03,673 --> 01:12:05,324
~ and this is one of them.

1163
01:12:05,324 --> 01:12:11,186
So if you want to just dump your stuff on a server, checkpoint will let you do that really
easily.

1164
01:12:11,278 --> 01:12:20,031
and although it it's a different use case, Checkpoint will not help you if you want to
like get all your saves on all your consoles all the time.

1165
01:12:20,031 --> 01:12:21,711
It's not really built for that.

1166
01:12:22,151 --> 01:12:23,132
CloudPoint is.

1167
01:12:23,132 --> 01:12:26,753
And so I think for that use case, I would personally keep using CloudPoint.

1168
01:12:26,753 --> 01:12:31,734
But if you want to just take a dump of your saves every so often, Checkpoint is great for
that.

1169
01:12:31,734 --> 01:12:34,625
And and I wouldn't try and replace that functionality myself.

1170
01:12:34,625 --> 01:12:35,996
I I c I'll keep using it.

1171
01:12:35,996 --> 01:12:37,037
Yeah, do both.

1172
01:12:37,037 --> 01:12:41,759
absolutely do both for like we said, two is one, one is none, that sort of thing.

1173
01:12:41,759 --> 01:12:46,501
Speaking of the GitHub, I wanted to point something out real quick and I I lied, I did
have one more question.

1174
01:12:46,501 --> 01:12:50,723
But I just noticed this today on the GitHub under the best practice thing.

1175
01:12:50,723 --> 01:12:57,365
When you use CloudPoint, my friends, there's a user dot key file on your 3ds's SD card.

1176
01:12:57,365 --> 01:12:58,926
Back that up.

1177
01:12:59,046 --> 01:13:04,208
Seriously, back that up on like whatever Dropbox, Mega, whatever you use, back that up.

1178
01:13:04,436 --> 01:13:06,108
That's like that's your key.

1179
01:13:06,108 --> 01:13:08,542
That's your literal key to your CloudPoint

1180
01:13:08,542 --> 01:13:09,183
stuff.

1181
01:13:09,183 --> 01:13:12,808
So be sure to back that up or else if something happens, it's all gone.

1182
01:13:12,808 --> 01:13:14,230
It's just you can't do nothing.

1183
01:13:14,230 --> 01:13:15,932
So be sure to back that up.

1184
01:13:16,049 --> 01:13:18,831
that is a great a great shout out, Brian.

1185
01:13:18,831 --> 01:13:21,893
If you lose that, I cannot help you.

1186
01:13:21,993 --> 01:13:22,884
there is no way.

1187
01:13:22,884 --> 01:13:27,617
I I mean I don't this is a good opportunity for me to say I don't keep any information
about you.

1188
01:13:27,617 --> 01:13:33,591
Like on the public instance, even on the private instance, it's the same, but I don't keep
I don't keep email addresses.

1189
01:13:33,591 --> 01:13:35,102
I don't ask them, I don't want for them.

1190
01:13:35,102 --> 01:13:37,023
If you if you gave me them I would delete them.

1191
01:13:37,023 --> 01:13:44,072
You know, I don't keep email addresses, I don't log IPs, I don't do any of this stuff
because I do not want any personal information.

1192
01:13:44,072 --> 01:13:50,015
'Cause the moment you start dealing with personal information, everything gets so
complicated and difficult and painful.

1193
01:13:50,015 --> 01:13:50,946
So I just don't do it.

1194
01:13:50,946 --> 01:13:55,498
Like and I don't know who is is is behind each of these user keys.

1195
01:13:55,498 --> 01:14:02,502
And I have once tried to help somebody who lost their key by sort of saying, Well, which
games did you have?

1196
01:14:02,502 --> 01:14:05,224
Let's see if we can work out which key is yours.

1197
01:14:05,224 --> 01:14:08,936
We couldn't do it reliably because they couldn't tell me for sure what they had.

1198
01:14:08,936 --> 01:14:13,758
And so I just I at that point I adopted a policy here that if you lose your key

1199
01:14:13,758 --> 01:14:16,329
I'm really sorry, but I cannot help you.

1200
01:14:16,329 --> 01:14:18,549
So please back it up.

1201
01:14:18,549 --> 01:14:20,690
Like back it at once and it's and it's gone.

1202
01:14:20,690 --> 01:14:22,620
And the same key is on all your 3ds.

1203
01:14:22,620 --> 01:14:28,712
So if you've if you've like got five systems and you've synced your your your s your key
with all of them with the with the

1204
01:14:28,712 --> 01:14:33,494
the key the key sharing system, that key is on all of them, so it's the same key.

1205
01:14:33,494 --> 01:14:38,955
But but you know, so you have you have kind of duplication of keys there, so that helps
you.

1206
01:14:38,955 --> 01:14:41,476
But yeah, just take a copy of the user.key.

1207
01:14:41,476 --> 01:14:42,896
It's in slash

1208
01:14:43,012 --> 01:14:45,779
~ 3ds slash cloud point user dot key.

1209
01:14:45,779 --> 01:14:48,025
Just just copy that, put it somewhere.

1210
01:14:48,025 --> 01:14:48,325
And that's

1211
01:14:48,325 --> 01:14:48,886
all you need to do.

1212
01:14:48,886 --> 01:14:49,688
It'll never change.

1213
01:14:49,688 --> 01:14:51,114
Just just copy it, please.

1214
01:14:51,114 --> 01:14:52,464
in bold on your site.

1215
01:14:52,464 --> 01:14:54,955
Like make that whole line, make that whole bullet

1216
01:14:54,955 --> 01:14:56,776
point bold so people don't miss it.

1217
01:14:56,776 --> 01:14:57,926
Cause I missed it.

1218
01:14:57,926 --> 01:14:58,616
I only noticed it

1219
01:14:58,616 --> 01:14:59,466
this morning.

1220
01:14:59,466 --> 01:15:06,008
And so I'd like like I know because I was doing research for this show like an hour or two
before.

1221
01:15:06,008 --> 01:15:09,496
And I'm going through the wick I'm going through the GitHub and I saw that.

1222
01:15:09,496 --> 01:15:11,450
I'm like, I haven't done that.

1223
01:15:11,450 --> 01:15:13,130
So I I didn't know they were the same.

1224
01:15:13,130 --> 01:15:15,411
So I backed up the one on my three DS and my two DS.

1225
01:15:15,411 --> 01:15:16,511
I didn't know they were the same.

1226
01:15:16,511 --> 01:15:19,572
But still, two is one and one is none, so that's fine.

1227
01:15:20,192 --> 01:15:22,024
But yeah, back up your user key, folks.

1228
01:15:22,024 --> 01:15:23,036
Very important.

1229
01:15:23,036 --> 01:15:24,948
And my last question, you've touched on this quite a bit.

1230
01:15:24,948 --> 01:15:29,765
You've touched on what you'd like to see ~ come to Cloud Point.

1231
01:15:29,765 --> 01:15:35,492
But is there anything you haven't touched on that you'd like to that you hope is in Cloud
Point's future?

1232
01:15:36,864 --> 01:15:37,226
Question.

1233
01:15:37,226 --> 01:15:38,712
~

1234
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:42,701
Because you did talk you did

1235
01:15:42,701 --> 01:15:43,272
cover a lot.

1236
01:15:43,272 --> 01:15:47,169
You covered the website, you covered the DS saves, the GPA saves.

1237
01:15:47,169 --> 01:15:51,817
~ You covered a bunch, but I just wanted and you have a roadmap here.

1238
01:15:51,817 --> 01:15:56,474
~ yeah, one of the things you have on your roadmap is time travel.

1239
01:15:56,756 --> 01:15:58,427
Yeah, yeah, that's the point.

1240
01:15:58,427 --> 01:15:59,038
That's the point.

1241
01:15:59,038 --> 01:16:00,539
This is yeah, thank you, Brian.

1242
01:16:00,539 --> 01:16:09,036
So I I by time travel, I'm kinda referring here to a little bit more control over what you
what you can do on the device with your save.

1243
01:16:09,036 --> 01:16:17,693
So at the moment, the only thing that is supported is the auto syncing, which ninety nine
percent of the time is what you want and works perfectly.

1244
01:16:17,693 --> 01:16:26,076
So that's where you basically say, Sync sync my games and it will figure out, well, have
you played it on this console but not elsewhere?

1245
01:16:26,076 --> 01:16:27,257
If so, I'll upload it.

1246
01:16:27,257 --> 01:16:28,739
Have you played it elsewhere but not here?

1247
01:16:28,739 --> 01:16:29,900
If so, I'll download it.

1248
01:16:29,900 --> 01:16:35,586
So it's it's pretty and and if have you if you play it on two different places, it's gonna
conflict and tell you to to fix it.

1249
01:16:35,586 --> 01:16:40,191
So it's a pretty a pretty basic thing that normally you don't need to care about.

1250
01:16:40,191 --> 01:16:48,556
But there are occasions where you might want to, you know, say, actually, I would really
want to go back to the save that I synced two weeks ago.

1251
01:16:48,556 --> 01:16:49,490
~

1252
01:16:49,490 --> 01:16:56,145
Or maybe, you know, I really want to force it to sync the save that I've got on the system
now because for whatever reason I don't trust that it's on the server.

1253
01:16:56,145 --> 01:16:58,766
That should never actually happen, but as a contrived example.

1254
01:16:58,766 --> 01:17:09,203
So time travel would be where you can basically go and pick a pick a game and view all of
the saves that you have for it on the server and choose to restore a particular one of

1255
01:17:09,203 --> 01:17:10,654
them onto your system.

1256
01:17:10,654 --> 01:17:17,679
~ I would like to add that feature because I think that it it's useful and it

1257
01:17:17,679 --> 01:17:19,400
it also it

1258
01:17:19,794 --> 01:17:31,061
It allows recovery from situations that bugs could cause without without needing to
contact me and get me to sort of do forensics on your saves, which I might not be able to

1259
01:17:31,061 --> 01:17:31,691
do anyway.

1260
01:17:31,691 --> 01:17:32,392
So it allows

1261
01:17:32,392 --> 01:17:33,321
self recovery.

1262
01:17:33,321 --> 01:17:42,068
yeah, a lot of the cloud services like Dropbox, for example, have versioning where like if
you have a file and you uploaded it, it's something wrong with it, there's they have like

1263
01:17:42,068 --> 01:17:44,060
the last three versions of it or whatever.

1264
01:17:44,060 --> 01:17:46,731
So that kind of stuff is very important.

1265
01:17:46,771 --> 01:17:49,072
And that would be a lovely thing to have.

1266
01:17:49,833 --> 01:17:58,159
so there's so much coming for CloudPoint, and and so much is being added to Checkpoint
that I'm wondering, you know, what what will you add to CloudPoint as a result of that

1267
01:17:58,159 --> 01:17:58,479
too?

1268
01:17:58,479 --> 01:17:59,720
~

1269
01:18:00,362 --> 01:18:01,693
So it's wonderful.

1270
01:18:01,693 --> 01:18:03,754
It's just it's just wonderful.

1271
01:18:03,855 --> 01:18:05,176
yeah, we're well over an hour now.

1272
01:18:05,176 --> 01:18:06,437
We should wrap this up.

1273
01:18:06,437 --> 01:18:06,958
my lord.

1274
01:18:06,958 --> 01:18:13,674
~ D Walker, I wanted to thank you so much for coming on and taking the time and in your
evening.

1275
01:18:13,674 --> 01:18:16,445
It is eight it is time is it there now?

1276
01:18:16,445 --> 01:18:20,199
~ eight thirty, eight six

1277
01:18:20,199 --> 01:18:20,520
thirty.

1278
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:21,601
Okay, that's not too late.

1279
01:18:21,601 --> 01:18:22,251
Okay, I guess.

1280
01:18:22,251 --> 01:18:24,944
But still, it's still like your evening.

1281
01:18:24,944 --> 01:18:28,016
So I appreciate you taking time out of your evening to talk.

1282
01:18:28,224 --> 01:18:30,769
about all this, because this has been a lovely conversation.

1283
01:18:30,769 --> 01:18:32,483
And I I just find this stuff fascinating.

1284
01:18:32,483 --> 01:18:36,842
Even though I can't do it myself, I love getting in the weeds of stuff like this.

1285
01:18:36,842 --> 01:18:37,403
I love it.

1286
01:18:37,403 --> 01:18:38,945
And you've been great.

1287
01:18:39,147 --> 01:18:39,754
So

1288
01:18:39,754 --> 01:18:41,085
That's that's very kind, Brian.

1289
01:18:41,085 --> 01:18:45,368
I I wanted to thank you for all you've been doing and for inviting me on.

1290
01:18:45,848 --> 01:18:54,194
it's it's it's lovely to be able to talk about this stuff because, you know, this I don't
really ~ talk about this stuff very much.

1291
01:18:54,194 --> 01:18:57,536
You know, my my friends, my family aren't really into this stuff.

1292
01:18:57,536 --> 01:19:05,983
~ so it's nice to be able to wax lyrical for an hour and a half and and kind of geek out
on it and and yeah.

1293
01:19:05,983 --> 01:19:08,160
And I and I hope I we are.

1294
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:09,094
doing, is we're geeking out.

1295
01:19:09,094 --> 01:19:09,802
Yes.

1296
01:19:09,802 --> 01:19:10,533
Well I like to do that.

1297
01:19:10,533 --> 01:19:11,683
So I I wanted to thank you for that.

1298
01:19:11,683 --> 01:19:20,810
I I really appreciate the opportunity and ~ I look forward to to listening to this myself,
'cause I I guarantee you I will and I will make my family listen to it too, although I

1299
01:19:20,810 --> 01:19:26,064
might mute the part where I talk about how many three D S I own just in case my wife has
miscounted.

1300
01:19:26,064 --> 01:19:27,014
We'll see.

1301
01:19:27,968 --> 01:19:28,288
All right.

1302
01:19:28,288 --> 01:19:30,409
Well, everyone, thank you so much for listening.

1303
01:19:30,409 --> 01:19:32,200
This doing this is a joy.

1304
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:33,451
I'm really loving it.

1305
01:19:33,451 --> 01:19:37,533
And I want to thank everyone who's listened, who's commented, and everything.

1306
01:19:37,533 --> 01:19:42,496
~ and if you have any suggestions, I've gotten many suggestions for other people to
interview.

1307
01:19:42,496 --> 01:19:49,120
If you have someone you'd like me to reach out to to interview, please let me know in the
comments, either here on the website or on YouTube or whatever.

1308
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:57,454
~ I'm trying to this is not just a celebration of the DS and the 3DS, but the people
keeping it going, like like D Walker here.

1309
01:19:57,524 --> 01:19:59,806
So I would love to have more people on.

1310
01:19:59,807 --> 01:20:00,949
But thank you for listening.

1311
01:20:00,949 --> 01:20:04,113
Please take care of your systems and happy gaming.

1312
01:20:04,113 --> 01:20:05,494
Take care, everybody.